Calif. Supreme Court this week hears Prop 8 challenge
03.02.2009 9:10am EST
(San Francisco, California) The California Supreme Court will hear oral arguments on Thursday challenging Proposition 8, the measure passed by voters in November that bars same-sex marriage.
Prop 8 was passed by voters by a slim 52 percent. The American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights immediately filed lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the vote. They were joined by additional suits by the cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles and a legal opinion by California Attorney General Jerry Brown.The lawsuits charge that Proposition 8 is invalid because the initiative process was improperly used in an attempt to undo the constitution’s core commitment to equality for everyone, by eliminating a fundamental right from just one group – lesbian and gay Californians.
They also say that Proposition 8 improperly attempts to prevent the courts from exercising their essential constitutional role of protecting the equal protection rights of minorities. The suits say that under the California Constitution, such radical changes to the organizing principles of state government cannot be made by simple majority vote through the initiative process, but instead must, at a minimum, go through the state legislature first.
The California Constitution itself sets out two ways to alter the document that sets the most basic rules about how state government works, the groups said in a written brief to the court.
Through the initiative process, voters can make relatively small changes to the constitution. But any measure that would change the underlying principles of the constitution must first be approved by the legislature before being submitted to the voters. That didn’t happen with Proposition 8, and that’s why it’s invalid, the petitioners said.
Brown’s office took a slightly different approach, arguing in its brief to the court that Proposition 8 should be invalidated on the ground that certain fundamental rights, including the right to marry, are inalienable and cannot be put up for a popular vote.
The brief said said the measure should be overturned because it deprives people of the right to marry — an aspect of liberty that the Supreme Court has concluded is guaranteed by the California Constitution.
On the other side, Protect Marriage Coalition, the umbrella group that put Prop 8 on the ballot, argues in its brief to the court that the will of the people must be respected by the court and that the measure also invalidated those marriages performed prior to the vote.
The coalition has hired Ken Starr who led the inquiry into President Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica L. Lewinsky, to argue its case before the high court.
The Supreme Court justices will have to determine three main issues: Is Prop 8 invalid because it constitutes a revision of, rather than an amendment to, the California Constitution; Does it violate the separation of powers doctrine under the California Constitution; and if it is legal what is the status of the 18,000 marriages that were performed last year.
After the court hears the legal arguments it will be several months before a decision is issued.
Wednesday night same-sex couples and their supporters will hold candlelight vigils in at least 15 cities across the California. Among the major cities are San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego and Palm Springs. The vigils are being hosted by Marriage Equality, Equality California and local LGBT rights groups.
The issue of same-sex marriage in California dates back to 2004 when San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Some 8,000 couples exchanged vows before the state Supreme Court ruled Newsom had acted illegally.
The court nullified the marriages but said its ruling dealt only with Newsom’s actions. The justices said at the time the question of whether barring same-sex couples from marrying violated the state’s equal protection clause of its constitution was a separate matter.
Legal challenges on the constitutional question were begun almost immediately. Three separate suits ultimately were wrapped together into a single case.
In March 2005 a Superior Court judge in San Francisco ruled that the law denying same-sex marriage was unconstitutional but the ruling was stayed while the state appealed.
In October, 2006, the California Court of Appeal in a split decision overturned Kramer’s ruling.
Last May the state Supreme Court upheld the appeal court ruling and some 18,000 same-sex couples were married before Prop 8 was approved in November.




Fred-Rica Said: Does anyone know what all cities the vigils are taking place in?
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Delano
Fresno
Kernville
Los Angeles
Modesto
Orange County
Palm Springs
Roseville
Sacramento
San Diego
San Francisco
San Jose
San Luis Obispo
Stockton
Visalia
For more information: http://www.eveofjustice.com/
Does anyone know what all cities the vigils are taking place in?
Tadpole asked what the separation of powers doctrine is about. In California, their are three branches of government, and one branch may not tell another branch what to do. When the people enact an initiative they are acting in the legislative capacity. The Supreme Court interpreted the California Constitution as providing gay people the right to marry under several provision of the Constitution, including the right to liberty and including equal protection. Prop 8 (a “popular” legislative act) tells the California Supreme Court how to interpret the equal protection and liberty clauses. This it cannot do by initiative. For a thorough discussion of this please see the amicus brief submitted by the San Francisco La Raza law group. It can be found at:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/supreme/highprofile/documents/s1680xx-amcur-sflawyers-raza.pdf
Don
I hope and pray that prop H8 does get taken off the books. But if it doesn’t and all 18,000 marriages get invalidated. Then I say that ALL of these couples should ask for their money back for the licenses that the state requires them to get married. As for the money spent on the weddings themselves, they should sue ALL the orginizations that pushed prop H8 thru. The only way to really get at these H8ers is thru the billfold. I will be hoping for the greatest outcome and that is that prop H8 will be overturned. Now in the state of Florida where I live, I can only hope that we can get our laws changed to help the children adopted and loving couples married one day.
The court has ruled that marriage is a fundemental right. The separation of powers argument basically means that the ruling opening the door for marriage equality cannot be overruled by a ballot measure because in that instance the voters acted in the role of the legislature on a matter which is constitutionally reserved for the judiciary. It’s an attempt to get around the the debate on whether Prop 8 was an amendment to the constitution or a revision of it.
good luck to all our REAL patriots in CA in getting this unconstitutional proposition overturned! cheers to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!
Tadpole, re your question of what does “Does it violate the separation of powers doctrine under the California constitution” mean.
Under the under the California Constitution there are three branches of government, Executive, Judicial and Legislature. The acts of the “people” through the initiative process fall under the Legislative branch.
The question merely asks that under the Constitution does the Legislative branch have the power to overturn decisions of the Judicial branch, creating an imbalance of the checks and balances between the the three branches of government.
WELCOME TO THE UNITED STATES–”LAND OF THE FREE–HOME OF THE BRAVE-WHERE ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL” DOES THIS STILL STAND UP? ESPECIALLY IN A COURT OF LAW . LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN CALIFORNIA.
It’s always “the will of the people”, as that is all that anti marriage equality folks have to stand on with this Porp H8 CA Supreme Court case slated for March 5th. Such as a position as “the will of the people” is merely an empty slogan with nothing of solid
legal substance to back it up.
If all is that is needed is a simple vote without the legislature being involved every time a change on some whim to the state constitution of CA occured just someone wants to make the chamges to hold someone else down and strip their human and civil rights away, we would wind up with a tyranny-based constitution based on hatred of people for each other rather than allowing for the smooth and fair running of any individual state of the US union with a nod to human and civil rights included.
Of the three things that the high court has to decide is “Does it violate the separation of powers doctrine under the California constitution” What does this mean?
Let’s all hope for our brothers and sisters in CA that their court steps up and does the right thing and proves that the majority is not always right!
They are finally hearing the case. I hope it will be overturned and set some precedent for the rest of us.
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