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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh please do tell us of all the great leaps and bounds you have made in the political arena.

honey, you need to get your ass up off that seat, get outside and visit the real world. 

who cares if they are sending post cards AT LEAST THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING other than sitting here bitching on a website.

I think its hillarious some of yall are in here attacking other gays. If we werent out marching, or even sending post cards, we would all be invisible STILL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh please do tell us of all the great leaps and bounds you have made in the political arena.</p>
<p>honey, you need to get your ass up off that seat, get outside and visit the real world. </p>
<p>who cares if they are sending post cards AT LEAST THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING other than sitting here bitching on a website.</p>
<p>I think its hillarious some of yall are in here attacking other gays. If we werent out marching, or even sending post cards, we would all be invisible STILL.</p>
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		<title>By: Milton L Machen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton L Machen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a black gay man with a partner of 22 years. I disagree with Kathryn Kolbert. Please do not speak for me or any other black gay person. Black people have no business voting against anyone when they have experienced discimination all their lives. They are wrong and need to be called on it! Please don&#039;t make excuses for these stupid behind fools!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a black gay man with a partner of 22 years. I disagree with Kathryn Kolbert. Please do not speak for me or any other black gay person. Black people have no business voting against anyone when they have experienced discimination all their lives. They are wrong and need to be called on it! Please don&#8217;t make excuses for these stupid behind fools!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug - I couldn&#039;t agree more and I sent a message to No on 8 immediately following the election. Of course, I received no reply - beyond a general e-mail asking people not to place blame. Well, you know what? There were many wonderful people who worked on this and I truly thak them for their efforts - HOWEVER - the main people who oversaw this were beyond inept and SHOULD resign! Those commercials were ridiculous! They&#039;re entire approach was insulting to the intelligence of any independent or moderate voter who may have been unsure how to vote. How do you talk to someone about GAY MARRIAGE and NEVER BRING UP THE WORDS &quot;GAY&quot; or &quot;MARRIAGE&quot; - how STUPID do you think people are? I know it was a tactical decision - a BAD tactical decision! These &quot;leaders&quot; were BEYONF incompentent and should be replaced!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t agree more and I sent a message to No on 8 immediately following the election. Of course, I received no reply &#8211; beyond a general e-mail asking people not to place blame. Well, you know what? There were many wonderful people who worked on this and I truly thak them for their efforts &#8211; HOWEVER &#8211; the main people who oversaw this were beyond inept and SHOULD resign! Those commercials were ridiculous! They&#8217;re entire approach was insulting to the intelligence of any independent or moderate voter who may have been unsure how to vote. How do you talk to someone about GAY MARRIAGE and NEVER BRING UP THE WORDS &#8220;GAY&#8221; or &#8220;MARRIAGE&#8221; &#8211; how STUPID do you think people are? I know it was a tactical decision &#8211; a BAD tactical decision! These &#8220;leaders&#8221; were BEYONF incompentent and should be replaced!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree we should come together to fight this, we can&#039;t effectively do that until the inept leadership of No on 8 and Equality California resign. Virtually everyone I know in the rural areas have been disgusted by how out of touch they were with the reality of what the opposition was doing. Even now ome of them are wasting more money sending post cards to the Mormon president. Are you serious? How can we come together when the same failed No on 8 leadership is continuing their same out-of-touch policies. No more money until they resign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree we should come together to fight this, we can&#8217;t effectively do that until the inept leadership of No on 8 and Equality California resign. Virtually everyone I know in the rural areas have been disgusted by how out of touch they were with the reality of what the opposition was doing. Even now ome of them are wasting more money sending post cards to the Mormon president. Are you serious? How can we come together when the same failed No on 8 leadership is continuing their same out-of-touch policies. No more money until they resign.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people who supported Prop 8 would love it if we started attacking each other - &quot;divide and conquer&quot; at its best. Lets remain focused and work together to accomplish our mutually beneficial goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who supported Prop 8 would love it if we started attacking each other &#8211; &#8220;divide and conquer&#8221; at its best. Lets remain focused and work together to accomplish our mutually beneficial goals.</p>
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		<title>By: John S</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read post in this blog of church burnings. 

 

I can certainly understand the disappointment of prop 8 passing but church burnings is sure not the way to go.

 

First you will be battling every possible denomination possible and if you think the catholic and Mormon church
did some damage think of what it would be like if all 200 other denominations were fighting us also.

 

If even a few of do something so stupid that will convince the un commited to vote against us next time around.

 

True the black folks did things like that and things did change but at a terrible cost, and what they did, did not raise their standing in the public eye.


I am a Calif. native now living in Florida we had the same thing here only worse. Our prop 2 passed banning marriage but also banning civil unions too.


Be careful because there is a movement in the works to unwind the marriages (in Calif) that were left intact in Calif. That is their next move.

 

My Gay brothers and sisters in Calif. You have no time to waste. Do not sit idol. Start to organize with constant demonstrations every week with out letting up. 

 

The opposition thinks this will simmer down and you will finally go away. 

If you don&#039;t keep up the demonstrations and make your cause in the headlines you will lose big time and they win.

 

Remember the sweekest wheel gets the grease.


Make sure the next campaign is not run by anyone from the Log Cabin Republican Party. 

 

How anyone can be a republican and gay is beyond me, and I have heard every argument they have put up, but I have never trusted them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read post in this blog of church burnings. </p>
<p>I can certainly understand the disappointment of prop 8 passing but church burnings is sure not the way to go.</p>
<p>First you will be battling every possible denomination possible and if you think the catholic and Mormon church<br />
did some damage think of what it would be like if all 200 other denominations were fighting us also.</p>
<p>If even a few of do something so stupid that will convince the un commited to vote against us next time around.</p>
<p>True the black folks did things like that and things did change but at a terrible cost, and what they did, did not raise their standing in the public eye.</p>
<p>I am a Calif. native now living in Florida we had the same thing here only worse. Our prop 2 passed banning marriage but also banning civil unions too.</p>
<p>Be careful because there is a movement in the works to unwind the marriages (in Calif) that were left intact in Calif. That is their next move.</p>
<p>My Gay brothers and sisters in Calif. You have no time to waste. Do not sit idol. Start to organize with constant demonstrations every week with out letting up. </p>
<p>The opposition thinks this will simmer down and you will finally go away. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t keep up the demonstrations and make your cause in the headlines you will lose big time and they win.</p>
<p>Remember the sweekest wheel gets the grease.</p>
<p>Make sure the next campaign is not run by anyone from the Log Cabin Republican Party. </p>
<p>How anyone can be a republican and gay is beyond me, and I have heard every argument they have put up, but I have never trusted them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercedes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercedes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the comment about offending church goers...didn&#039;t they vote yes on prop 8 by some 73 or 83% ? That was funny.

 I think we have a serious generation gap within the Gay community....let the young folks hit the street join them if you feel like you can get your old bones out there. Let them go....they are holding peaceful rallies and making change happen now.

 I am going this Nov. 15th to the SF rally at City Hall....I think this is a great time to use the internet to re-define our movement Nationally and Globally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the comment about offending church goers&#8230;didn&#8217;t they vote yes on prop 8 by some 73 or 83% ? That was funny.</p>
<p> I think we have a serious generation gap within the Gay community&#8230;.let the young folks hit the street join them if you feel like you can get your old bones out there. Let them go&#8230;.they are holding peaceful rallies and making change happen now.</p>
<p> I am going this Nov. 15th to the SF rally at City Hall&#8230;.I think this is a great time to use the internet to re-define our movement Nationally and Globally.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to know who to blame for prop 8 passing? Then go look in the mirror and ask yourself the following questions:

•	Did I donate money and time to the campaign, or did I just sit back and watch the events unfold?
•	Did I leave my comfort zone and converse with people that I knew didn’t agree with my beliefs?
•	Did I attend and promote “no on 8” rallies?
•	Did I encourage non-voters to vote by bringing them voter registration forms and telling them how important this issue was to me personally and how its passage would impact my life?
•	Did I remember to mail in my absentee ballot on time or get to my polling place before it closed, or was I just too busy to bother?
•	Did I actually vote “no”? (Sadly, it has been reported to me that some of the yes voters were members of the LGBT community. Shameful, even if you yourself do not believe in marriage.)
•	Am I openly gay and proud, or do I hide my lifestyle from co-workers, family and friends?
•	Did I assume that everyone that is deemed a minority, a second class, or has faced oppression would automatically side with my cause and place my rights over their cultural and/or religious beliefs?
•	Did I allow my straight allies to carry the burden of the load because I felt their voices were more influential than mine?

If you did little or nothing in support of the “no on 8” campaign, then you have only yourself to blame for its passage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to know who to blame for prop 8 passing? Then go look in the mirror and ask yourself the following questions:</p>
<p>•	Did I donate money and time to the campaign, or did I just sit back and watch the events unfold?<br />
•	Did I leave my comfort zone and converse with people that I knew didn’t agree with my beliefs?<br />
•	Did I attend and promote “no on 8” rallies?<br />
•	Did I encourage non-voters to vote by bringing them voter registration forms and telling them how important this issue was to me personally and how its passage would impact my life?<br />
•	Did I remember to mail in my absentee ballot on time or get to my polling place before it closed, or was I just too busy to bother?<br />
•	Did I actually vote “no”? (Sadly, it has been reported to me that some of the yes voters were members of the LGBT community. Shameful, even if you yourself do not believe in marriage.)<br />
•	Am I openly gay and proud, or do I hide my lifestyle from co-workers, family and friends?<br />
•	Did I assume that everyone that is deemed a minority, a second class, or has faced oppression would automatically side with my cause and place my rights over their cultural and/or religious beliefs?<br />
•	Did I allow my straight allies to carry the burden of the load because I felt their voices were more influential than mine?</p>
<p>If you did little or nothing in support of the “no on 8” campaign, then you have only yourself to blame for its passage.</p>
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		<title>By: Bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I recall of my school days, ALL field trips require parental permission. I can&#039;t believe that those parents didn&#039;t know where their kids were going. 

Besides, the &quot;yes on 8&quot; campaign exposed children to more homosexual rhetoric than any of our ads did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I recall of my school days, ALL field trips require parental permission. I can&#8217;t believe that those parents didn&#8217;t know where their kids were going. </p>
<p>Besides, the &#8220;yes on 8&#8243; campaign exposed children to more homosexual rhetoric than any of our ads did.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People of color (black, red, yellow, brown, polka-dot) will not and should not bend to the will of white folk.

And white folk will not and should not bend to the will of those people of color.

If we, as individuals, allow ourselves to turn this issue into a matter of what color of skin we have . . . we have lost already. The closet awaits as the only safe escape.

I say, for myself, &quot;Never Again!&quot;.

Rather, the gay community must bind together regardless of the color of our skin. We must be bound together regardless of our orientation. We must become a people who will not bend to the will of those who wish to oppress us. And those who can not do so . . . or will not . . . can fight their petty race war and be left behind. They can find their own comfort in that closet.

And they can watch the rest of us strengthen and grow and, finally, be free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People of color (black, red, yellow, brown, polka-dot) will not and should not bend to the will of white folk.</p>
<p>And white folk will not and should not bend to the will of those people of color.</p>
<p>If we, as individuals, allow ourselves to turn this issue into a matter of what color of skin we have . . . we have lost already. The closet awaits as the only safe escape.</p>
<p>I say, for myself, &#8220;Never Again!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Rather, the gay community must bind together regardless of the color of our skin. We must be bound together regardless of our orientation. We must become a people who will not bend to the will of those who wish to oppress us. And those who can not do so . . . or will not . . . can fight their petty race war and be left behind. They can find their own comfort in that closet.</p>
<p>And they can watch the rest of us strengthen and grow and, finally, be free.</p>
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