Comments on: Black Vote Largely Favored Prop 8

By: Matthew S

Matthew S — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:14:58 +0000

The article is correct. It is not that black people voted for this because they are black but because of religion. Religion is the real enemy. Everyone of these amendments throughout the country was put on the ballot by or supported by a religious organization. What people fail to realize, is that in many cases the ballot petitions were taken in to the fundie churches and they would have alter calls to sign the things. Instead of blaming our black brothers and sisters, we should take a lesson from them. They did not sit back and march peacefully in the streets when Dr King was shot. They did not make nice when the Rodney king verdict came down. They went to the streets and said do not mess with us. Look at our own gay history we threw bricks at the police. Let us focus our energy at the religious bigots who are responsible for demonizing us. I am not saying or advocating violence but the church that burns speaks louder then a sign in the park.

By: Rob

Rob — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:13:07 +0000

MNBear: “From the standpoint of someone who’s trying to sit in…someone they truly love.”

- Exceptionally ‘well put’

By: Malik

Malik — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:26:45 +0000

The hell do I care who you homos blame? Us blacks did a good thing and I for one am proud of it.

Obama in the white house and no gays marrying in Cali. 2 birds with one stone.

By: MNBear

MNBear — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:19:02 +0000

From the standpoint of someone who’s trying to sit in the middle on the issue, please let me assure African-American readers of this site (and anyone else who’s offended) that the great majority of us who express concern about the statistically disproportionate “Yes” vote in the African-American community are not doing so out of racist motives.

Certainly there are a number of disgusting bigots out there who HAVE been using this as a springboard to express their hate under something that they hope will serve as a socially acceptable “cover”. But that’s hardly all of us. Mentioning a matter of factual / statistical interest does not, by itself, equate to hatred simply because the matter at hand happens to relate to an identifiable minority that suffers discrimination in the wider society. Discrimination is not the abstract property of an idea – rather, it’s a wrongful act committed by individuals whose actions are underlain by a hateful intent or motivation.

I think I speak for most people who’ve discussed the issue when I state that my interest in the matter is a purely practical one – not one of blame-placing (founded in racism or otherwise). In political matters – ESPECIALLY matters that are as close and contentious as the struggle for same-sex marriage – the voting patterns of EVERY identifiable constituency are of interest. This is especially true when there are cultural correlations linking numerous members of the group (e.g. the undeniably greater role of religion in African-American society, on average). I certainly don’t intend to place blame – just to get a chance at empirically sussing out why same-sex marriage is far less acceptable in some groups than in others, so that someday ALL GLBT people, of ANY color, will have a chance at marrying someone they truly love.

By: De-De

De-De — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:15:20 +0000

I really don’t get how you can blame this on the black people as a whole. We did not give 20 million on ads to say no on the vote. The church pointed this out now everyone says that it was the turn out of the black people in Cal that voted yes for prop 8 to pass. Can you truely tell me that our small percents is the reason that it was pass or was it the view of the church to its members it. I have a brother who is a church going person through an through but has said that his view is his not another , and only god can judge that person for what they have done on earth. And if there is one person without sin let that person throw stones. When asking what was he talking about, his words was that gods loves every man, woman, and child the same no one is better or less in his eyes. So each of us have a right to be happy in this world. I shocked me that this was coming from my brother because I though he would be against it, this made me smile and laugh at the same time. I believe that everyone has there view on religion but if someone does not believe in those view do not make them less of a citzen then the others, the United States is many of one. That what makes it so great its rights to all not only the view of the churches. Am I less of an American if I dont go to church, dont believe in the bible, and believe in an creator but not what you call GOD. Should I have the same rights as you or are we not all American regardless of gender,religion, race, age, and sexual pref.
I’m black.

By: m

Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:36:49 +0000

tpagy- go [screw] yourself backwards, you illerate racist asshole.

By: tpagy

tpagy — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:08:22 +0000

Wow and your not a nasty black racist oh right that only belongs to black people to sling you are what you bitch about and you wonder why your not included try not being so much of an angry black man

By: DBiker

DBiker — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:22:14 +0000

I’m a gay white guy.
The first time I met my new black brother-in-law he screamed at me (as my partner and I fled my parent’s house) “Don’t you ever f***ng compare being gay to being black! Being gay is a CHOICE! I was BORN black!”
I’m not surprised by what happened in California.
And after almost a decade of strained relations with my brother-in-law – I don’t really see ANY way to bridge this gap.
He STILL doesn’t understand that being gay wasn’t a “choice”…
I keep trying to explain, though.

By: Kris

Kris — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:06:13 +0000

look m, I’m a white man, whom has only dated black men. I understand the frustration from reading this shit on here. I don’t believe the “black community” need be the only one blamed, in this election. I feel like the churches, whether they are white,black,hispanic,asian, hindu,catholic,christian,jehovah’s witness,budha,mormon,jewish & so on,& so on. These communities of religion, are however guilty of voting yes on prop 8. I don’t live in California, but I do live in Florida, and we are now, never to be considered equal to the straight communities beliefs on marriage. I’m frustrated too. I’ve always sided with my black bretheren, and do think that the black community has and will always have fingers pointed at them. It is extremely sad to see the finger pointers letting loose on here, their beliefs are not shared by all. I will wear my Obama button everyday for the rest of my life, because I believe he is a true man, one whom has had the same experiences that the black communities have had, and are now having from racist,white folk.

I can understand the hurt that this site causes to most people. God does listen to you, and I hope he will show you that this site carries alot of dumb,stupid,racist and hateful people. He/she sees what is wrong going on and will punish the hateful insulting people on here, that there should be no pointing out fingers at anyone but themselves.

By: Zeta

Zeta — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:34:43 +0000

“Wow, so much blame to go around, blame the churches, blame the black people, how about a gay rights establishment that has operated through the courts for years instead of trying to presuade the very people that vote on measures like this. No court decision will stand in the long term without public support. Instead of trying to get this amendment overturned again in the court, we should mount a campaign to overturn in with another amendment at the next election. Gay marriage will not be legitmate or safe in california until it passes a referedum.”

Civil Rights have never been won by a popular vote.