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		<title>By: Bud Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So SteveMD2 thinks that anyone who criticizes the Democrats, especially Obama, is a plant for the Republicans. That is pathetic on two counts: either SteveMD2 is a paranoid or a sycophant or both. On the first count, mental health care is recommended; if it is the second case, you can keep your knee pads with the DNC donkey emblazoned on it. Unlike you, some of us in the GLBT community actually don‘t care to be political eunuchs for the Dems or any political party which does not represent us as fully equal American citizens.  

The scared-rabbit hebbie-jebbies about how a third party would be the ruination of any chance that GLBT civil rights legislation could pass in Congress is purely asinine. Most other democracies have more than two political parties. In fact, in many cases it has been the only way minority voices were heard. It has also become abundantly clear that this is a major reason that we, in the US, are so far behind in civil rights protections for our most vulnerable citizens as compared to other Western nations.

Canada has several political parties and GLBT rights were helped, not hindered by it. Most of Europe also does. Coalitions can be formed so that not one political party can dominate the government. Cooperation is essential and, as I stated, many minority concerns are then given a voice which might not have been the case if only two major, so-called “mainstream” parties were the only voices heard.

A US President would have to walk a fine line and deal with third party concerns. He would not have the dictatorial luxury of his own party simply rubber-stamping his legislative agenda as a means to further his own personal political goals. Likewise, neither would he have to fear that an opposition party would completely dominate either and negate all of his proposals purely out of political spite.

And no, SteveMD2, I am not a “plant” for the vile Republican neo-Nazi party, but neither am I a masochistic slave for the treacherous Democrats who have stolen my support all of these years and given me nothing in return but lies. Yes, the same back-stabbing Democrats who have shown the GLBT community their not so subtle contempt for our kind by ignoring us altogether after election day.

Don’t forget, it was a Democratic president who signed into law DADT and DOMA -- the only federal anti-gay laws ever passed by congress (and DADT by a fully Democratic-controlled Congress nonetheless). Bill Clinton didn’t even have the balls to veto those two monumental bigoted pieces of legislative hate. Even if his veto was overridden, he could have stood on principle with his veto-- except that he was too busy getting blowjobs from a fat skank then to be bothered with “principles“. He didn’t, as most Democrats, give a crap about how these two major homophobic federal laws would profoundly affect the lives of the 30 million of our GLBT brothers and sisters in America for years to come. 

We are only “useful” to the Democrats during a close election; then we are kicked to the curb afterwards as a “political liability”. So grow up, SteveMD2, and think outside of the box -- or rather outside of the metaphorical political prison cell you put yourself in -- and don’t let anyone, especially manipulating Democratic politicians, think that they are your last hope and only alternative.  If you do, then you not only betray yourself, but the entire GLBT community. 

Grow a pair and let your representatives in Congress know that there are plenty of GLBT voters in your area, and that these politicians cannot take for granted that those votes will be there for them next time if they don’t deliver the goods --  Quid Pro Quo.   And don’t let them for a minute believe that they are your only option. If you do, then you have already lost.

~ Bud Evans

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So SteveMD2 thinks that anyone who criticizes the Democrats, especially Obama, is a plant for the Republicans. That is pathetic on two counts: either SteveMD2 is a paranoid or a sycophant or both. On the first count, mental health care is recommended; if it is the second case, you can keep your knee pads with the DNC donkey emblazoned on it. Unlike you, some of us in the GLBT community actually don‘t care to be political eunuchs for the Dems or any political party which does not represent us as fully equal American citizens.  </p>
<p>The scared-rabbit hebbie-jebbies about how a third party would be the ruination of any chance that GLBT civil rights legislation could pass in Congress is purely asinine. Most other democracies have more than two political parties. In fact, in many cases it has been the only way minority voices were heard. It has also become abundantly clear that this is a major reason that we, in the US, are so far behind in civil rights protections for our most vulnerable citizens as compared to other Western nations.</p>
<p>Canada has several political parties and GLBT rights were helped, not hindered by it. Most of Europe also does. Coalitions can be formed so that not one political party can dominate the government. Cooperation is essential and, as I stated, many minority concerns are then given a voice which might not have been the case if only two major, so-called “mainstream” parties were the only voices heard.</p>
<p>A US President would have to walk a fine line and deal with third party concerns. He would not have the dictatorial luxury of his own party simply rubber-stamping his legislative agenda as a means to further his own personal political goals. Likewise, neither would he have to fear that an opposition party would completely dominate either and negate all of his proposals purely out of political spite.</p>
<p>And no, SteveMD2, I am not a “plant” for the vile Republican neo-Nazi party, but neither am I a masochistic slave for the treacherous Democrats who have stolen my support all of these years and given me nothing in return but lies. Yes, the same back-stabbing Democrats who have shown the GLBT community their not so subtle contempt for our kind by ignoring us altogether after election day.</p>
<p>Don’t forget, it was a Democratic president who signed into law DADT and DOMA &#8212; the only federal anti-gay laws ever passed by congress (and DADT by a fully Democratic-controlled Congress nonetheless). Bill Clinton didn’t even have the balls to veto those two monumental bigoted pieces of legislative hate. Even if his veto was overridden, he could have stood on principle with his veto&#8211; except that he was too busy getting blowjobs from a fat skank then to be bothered with “principles“. He didn’t, as most Democrats, give a crap about how these two major homophobic federal laws would profoundly affect the lives of the 30 million of our GLBT brothers and sisters in America for years to come. </p>
<p>We are only “useful” to the Democrats during a close election; then we are kicked to the curb afterwards as a “political liability”. So grow up, SteveMD2, and think outside of the box &#8212; or rather outside of the metaphorical political prison cell you put yourself in &#8212; and don’t let anyone, especially manipulating Democratic politicians, think that they are your last hope and only alternative.  If you do, then you not only betray yourself, but the entire GLBT community. </p>
<p>Grow a pair and let your representatives in Congress know that there are plenty of GLBT voters in your area, and that these politicians cannot take for granted that those votes will be there for them next time if they don’t deliver the goods &#8212;  Quid Pro Quo.   And don’t let them for a minute believe that they are your only option. If you do, then you have already lost.</p>
<p>~ Bud Evans</p>
<p><a href="http://rainfish2000.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://rainfish2000.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: SteveMD2</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/bid-for-gay-commerce-secretary-ignored/comment-page-2/#comment-45091</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveMD2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you work for a third political party, Bud Evans, you might as well work for the repugnicans.

It could take 50 years to become significant. If it happens at all.  And the other thing it does is make it just that much easier for the Christian fascists and their republican party to win.

I maybe understand your frustrations, but as a player, low level, in the political process I can ask only one question :  Do you realize how your views could hurt the gay community, and in effect bring us another monstrosity - a reborn by another name maggot named George Bush and his gang?

Or are you a plant of the republican party - whose goal is to divide the gay  community, and make it just that much less a player in the circus we call politics.

Please understand that frustration cannot be the judge of action. And that being a plant designed to divide the gay community is a simple trick.  You cannot immagine what sorts of sophisticated tricks have been played by the repugnicans and their fascist Christian buddies, who destroyed our economy, gave us Iraq, and used religious hatred of gays to get elected to do all these nefarious things.

And once again,  a new political party could take decades to gain a significant following.  And given the republican party&#039;s almost total corruption of their soul,  You&#039;d have no choice except to vote with the dems, or effectively be voting for our own born agains in that party - some obviously related to adolf hitler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you work for a third political party, Bud Evans, you might as well work for the repugnicans.</p>
<p>It could take 50 years to become significant. If it happens at all.  And the other thing it does is make it just that much easier for the Christian fascists and their republican party to win.</p>
<p>I maybe understand your frustrations, but as a player, low level, in the political process I can ask only one question :  Do you realize how your views could hurt the gay community, and in effect bring us another monstrosity &#8211; a reborn by another name maggot named George Bush and his gang?</p>
<p>Or are you a plant of the republican party &#8211; whose goal is to divide the gay  community, and make it just that much less a player in the circus we call politics.</p>
<p>Please understand that frustration cannot be the judge of action. And that being a plant designed to divide the gay community is a simple trick.  You cannot immagine what sorts of sophisticated tricks have been played by the repugnicans and their fascist Christian buddies, who destroyed our economy, gave us Iraq, and used religious hatred of gays to get elected to do all these nefarious things.</p>
<p>And once again,  a new political party could take decades to gain a significant following.  And given the republican party&#8217;s almost total corruption of their soul,  You&#8217;d have no choice except to vote with the dems, or effectively be voting for our own born agains in that party &#8211; some obviously related to adolf hitler.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/bid-for-gay-commerce-secretary-ignored/comment-page-2/#comment-44963</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Cadence&#039;s thoughts on the matter; to use the word &quot;ignored&quot; is not appropriate just because some folks didn&#039;t get what they wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Cadence&#8217;s thoughts on the matter; to use the word &#8220;ignored&#8221; is not appropriate just because some folks didn&#8217;t get what they wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: charley</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/bid-for-gay-commerce-secretary-ignored/comment-page-2/#comment-44956</link>
		<dc:creator>charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many comments here are missing the point. It&#039;s not that Obama should have nominated a GLBT Commerce Secretary, it is that there appears to be no seat of any consequence at the table for any GLBT person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many comments here are missing the point. It&#8217;s not that Obama should have nominated a GLBT Commerce Secretary, it is that there appears to be no seat of any consequence at the table for any GLBT person.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/bid-for-gay-commerce-secretary-ignored/comment-page-2/#comment-44932</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the right man or woman for the job, regardless of sexual orienatation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the right man or woman for the job, regardless of sexual orienatation.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/news/bid-for-gay-commerce-secretary-ignored/comment-page-2/#comment-44931</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a gay Washington State resident, I am thrilled by the choice of Gary Locke.  He was a wonderful governor and is a great choice for Commerce Secretary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a gay Washington State resident, I am thrilled by the choice of Gary Locke.  He was a wonderful governor and is a great choice for Commerce Secretary.</p>
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		<title>By: Bunny Snuggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bunny Snuggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I hear when Obama craps on the GLBT community is: &quot;Lesser of two evils! Lesser of two evils!!&quot;  ...Please, wake up people, can we just stop picking &quot;evil&quot; for a change?

...Uh, “For a Change You Can (‘t) Believe In&quot;  ...LOL! 

(!!!Oh, how O&#039;Barfable!!!)

...and pathetic too. As the GLBT community lines up for another eight year ass-kicking.

PS - I love Sean Penn. I heard that they tried to rush a &quot;CRASH 2&quot; to the Academy Awards to thwart any GLBT related movie from winning, but they got “Scumdog Millionaire” to fill in for them so they didn‘t have to.

Here’s an idea! Maybe, Obama could hire someone to “play Gay” and then appoint him to a Cabinet post? Sean Penn perhaps? Just an idea to float out there. It just might work!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I hear when Obama craps on the GLBT community is: &#8220;Lesser of two evils! Lesser of two evils!!&#8221;  &#8230;Please, wake up people, can we just stop picking &#8220;evil&#8221; for a change?</p>
<p>&#8230;Uh, “For a Change You Can (‘t) Believe In&#8221;  &#8230;LOL! </p>
<p>(!!!Oh, how O&#8217;Barfable!!!)</p>
<p>&#8230;and pathetic too. As the GLBT community lines up for another eight year ass-kicking.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I love Sean Penn. I heard that they tried to rush a &#8220;CRASH 2&#8243; to the Academy Awards to thwart any GLBT related movie from winning, but they got “Scumdog Millionaire” to fill in for them so they didn‘t have to.</p>
<p>Here’s an idea! Maybe, Obama could hire someone to “play Gay” and then appoint him to a Cabinet post? Sean Penn perhaps? Just an idea to float out there. It just might work!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Carlton Hurdle Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlton Hurdle Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this a News Story or an Editoral? As a gay man volunteering in the GLBT community, I&#039;m not really all that concerned if a gay man becomes commerce secretary. How do we know the lobbying efforts were ignored? Sounds to me like he choose to place Hochberg in a position he seems to do well in. I hardly call that ignored. Also, with the background you posted in this article, it sounds like Hochberg will fit quite well as the Chair of the Export-Import Bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a News Story or an Editoral? As a gay man volunteering in the GLBT community, I&#8217;m not really all that concerned if a gay man becomes commerce secretary. How do we know the lobbying efforts were ignored? Sounds to me like he choose to place Hochberg in a position he seems to do well in. I hardly call that ignored. Also, with the background you posted in this article, it sounds like Hochberg will fit quite well as the Chair of the Export-Import Bank.</p>
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		<title>By: KaninZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KaninZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t say I&#039;m terribly surprised. Obama has done nothing but distance himself from the gay community since we helped him get to the Whitehouse.
  When gays were in an uproar over Rick Warren the Inaugural committee silently slipped Bishop Gene into a fringe appearance a day before the acual Inauguaral event. Obama never addressed the many voices of outraged gays. 
  In speech after speech, appearance after appearance there gay America has been the one group glaringly unmentioned.

  Mr President, your silence is deafening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m terribly surprised. Obama has done nothing but distance himself from the gay community since we helped him get to the Whitehouse.<br />
  When gays were in an uproar over Rick Warren the Inaugural committee silently slipped Bishop Gene into a fringe appearance a day before the acual Inauguaral event. Obama never addressed the many voices of outraged gays.<br />
  In speech after speech, appearance after appearance there gay America has been the one group glaringly unmentioned.</p>
<p>  Mr President, your silence is deafening.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary Locke is a good man, and a good choice for the position.

Why anyone would be surprised that Barak &quot;I don&#039;t believe in gay marriage&quot; Obama is not supporting us is beyond me....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Locke is a good man, and a good choice for the position.</p>
<p>Why anyone would be surprised that Barak &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe in gay marriage&#8221; Obama is not supporting us is beyond me&#8230;.</p>
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