here we have a good story showing humanists rising to the challenge of organizing and deciding how to contribute to society. Fairly simple.

Then we get:
-a sermon
-a religion employee disagreeing
-a number of atheist defending themselves
-a number of religionistas defending themselves
-a number of gay people apologizing for being religionistas

….I could go on.

Can we at least use our brains and agree on some basics:
-the whole idea of god or gods is ridiculous. Its a bunch of fairy tales. Please, grow up, get over your fear of the “consequences” and use your brain. Its simply stupid to believe that crap!
-Religion is an evil force and we must fight it, regardless of gay or not.
-there are no good religions/religion employees. Some hate less than others, some do not hate at all. They all seek to enslave your mind and control your actions for some purpose, usually involving money and political power, but not always. Sometimes just sex and exaltation are all they want.
-”religous people do a lot of good” or “people of faith support equality” are statements manufactured by our opposition to get us to take our eyes off the ball. True statements would be “good people are sometimes religious” and “people who support equality sometimes have faith”. However, it is only a matter of time before the control of their brains is used for some other purpose.

We, of all people, the gays who have certainly seen the evil intent of religion first hand, should be able to be cured from religion.

For those of you who are gay and religious, I hope you will find a cure for this disease that eats away at your brain. No good ever comes of it. You are likely a good person but not because of your faith.

Please, use your brain, apply reason. There is only once conclusion if you do.

Once you do, join the fight. We must end religion if we are to save our race and the planet.

And you can bet I am a rabble rouser, dedicated to getting gays pissed, out of the closet, and demanding to be treated like everyone else.

Steve

Aethists groups should reach out to progressive relgious groups, and other religious groups who show signs of change re supporting gay people.

And you form a bond, help the movement of the churches out of the closet re support for gays, and let them realize at the same time that if they don’t support gays, there are going to be more joining the atheists.

Because if you look back over recorded western history, you’ll see, and the churches need to be reminded, that most of the worst tragedies in human history were inspired or done in the name of God.

In my life, I have seen both harm and good arise from both philosophies.

People that aren’t atheists can ‘live and let live’ too!

I have seen many very-gay supportive people of faith in the pro-marriage equality side of the street in the marriage-equality fight rallies in Boston in front of the Massachusetts statehouse time and time again with my own 2 eyes.

Atheists do not have a monopoly in being strong supporters of marriage equality as I have personally seen time and time again from both those rallies in MA and at marriage equality rallies here in my state Maryland (MD) every single year in our state capital city of Annapolis near where hearings on MD marriage equality take place. I have sat in on some of the hearings and have watched various MD legislators and verious speakers testifying. There have been people of faith as well as Equality Maryland (a very active and fearless pro-gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender-rights group)speak out on marriage equality. I’ve also heard a number of Maryland legislators speak out for marriage equality and do so both before Equality Maryland gatherings and in legislative marriage equality hearings.

Burton, is it really a wonder why gays have such disdain for religion and god and the bible? It shouldn’t be. After all, god is just made up and you have no proof beyond a book written by bronze age nomads. And, above all, it’s proven to be unreliable in the face of actual facts.