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		<title>By: weekilter</title>
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		<dc:creator>weekilter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If New York is the most liberal and tolerant state why is it that Massachusetts has had legalized marriage since 2004?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If New York is the most liberal and tolerant state why is it that Massachusetts has had legalized marriage since 2004?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RobertoCucina, you beat me to it.  New York the &quot;most liberal advanced state&quot;????  Is he kidding?

I grew up in CT and NYC was our playground....the big 80&#039;s nightclub scene (sadly no longer) was one of the things that made me realize New York really feels like the center of the world.  Also being brought their by our parents for family dinners and theater cemented NYC&#039;s position at the top of all things urban and cultural.

Now as an adult and antiquarian, I just can&#039;t disagree with my younger attraction to the city.  It is an amazing place, mainly due to its history and population density.  However, the state in which it is located (barely, it more likely could be part of CT or NJ!) is most definitely NOT advanced.

I have lived in Upstate NY and the rest of my life along the border of NY in either CT or MA.  My neighbors to the West pay ridiculous property taxes..tens of thousands/year while over here we pay a mere few thousand for houses with similar valuations.

What do they get?  corruption, wasted money, overbuilt schools, a bloated government that can&#039;t get out of its own way.  They also get the most rundown roads in the area (and New England gets major wear with our winters, and our roads are better).  NY also has no concept of zoning so trailers pop up on family property as fast as the babies are pumped out, next to very nice neighborhoods.

A lot of the white supremicist activity is in upstate New York.  They have the Adirondack Park, supposedly a model of public/private partnership in preserving nature but property owners are hamstrung by overzealous park boards that control your every move.  Don&#039;t buy property in the Adirondacks if you value your freedom..you never really own that property.

New York&#039;s other cities?:  extremely run down, no range of economic and social status (extremely poor in the core city, wealthy elsewhere otherwise you live in the burbs), very little cultural attractions and many with bombed out downtowns and infrastructure.

i could go on.  I don&#039;t care about how liberal NYC is (I&#039;m not liberal)...but I will say anytime someone is deluded about it that New York is very, very far from being the most advanced state, much less an advanced state at all.

Just look at their legislature...the hoodlums running the state are simply an embarrassment to human intellect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RobertoCucina, you beat me to it.  New York the &#8220;most liberal advanced state&#8221;????  Is he kidding?</p>
<p>I grew up in CT and NYC was our playground&#8230;.the big 80&#8242;s nightclub scene (sadly no longer) was one of the things that made me realize New York really feels like the center of the world.  Also being brought their by our parents for family dinners and theater cemented NYC&#8217;s position at the top of all things urban and cultural.</p>
<p>Now as an adult and antiquarian, I just can&#8217;t disagree with my younger attraction to the city.  It is an amazing place, mainly due to its history and population density.  However, the state in which it is located (barely, it more likely could be part of CT or NJ!) is most definitely NOT advanced.</p>
<p>I have lived in Upstate NY and the rest of my life along the border of NY in either CT or MA.  My neighbors to the West pay ridiculous property taxes..tens of thousands/year while over here we pay a mere few thousand for houses with similar valuations.</p>
<p>What do they get?  corruption, wasted money, overbuilt schools, a bloated government that can&#8217;t get out of its own way.  They also get the most rundown roads in the area (and New England gets major wear with our winters, and our roads are better).  NY also has no concept of zoning so trailers pop up on family property as fast as the babies are pumped out, next to very nice neighborhoods.</p>
<p>A lot of the white supremicist activity is in upstate New York.  They have the Adirondack Park, supposedly a model of public/private partnership in preserving nature but property owners are hamstrung by overzealous park boards that control your every move.  Don&#8217;t buy property in the Adirondacks if you value your freedom..you never really own that property.</p>
<p>New York&#8217;s other cities?:  extremely run down, no range of economic and social status (extremely poor in the core city, wealthy elsewhere otherwise you live in the burbs), very little cultural attractions and many with bombed out downtowns and infrastructure.</p>
<p>i could go on.  I don&#8217;t care about how liberal NYC is (I&#8217;m not liberal)&#8230;but I will say anytime someone is deluded about it that New York is very, very far from being the most advanced state, much less an advanced state at all.</p>
<p>Just look at their legislature&#8230;the hoodlums running the state are simply an embarrassment to human intellect!</p>
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		<title>By: robertocucina</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ira Siff is delusional if he thinks New York is the most liberal, advanced state in America.  What about Massachusetts, the first to approve marriage quality, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire and hopefully Maine? They don&#039;t count?  I&#039;m sick and tired of New Yorkers&#039; claims to be number one in everything. They&#039;re not. In marriage equality, definitely the trailer not a trend setter. Get over it New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ira Siff is delusional if he thinks New York is the most liberal, advanced state in America.  What about Massachusetts, the first to approve marriage quality, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, New Hampshire and hopefully Maine? They don&#8217;t count?  I&#8217;m sick and tired of New Yorkers&#8217; claims to be number one in everything. They&#8217;re not. In marriage equality, definitely the trailer not a trend setter. Get over it New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Art James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is amazing ... they&#039;ve had marriage equality in the Netherlands for almost 9 years now,and the sky didn&#039;t fall, there were no Pat Robertson tornados, the levees didn&#039;t all collapse; but here in the &quot;land of the free&quot;  ... it is still a struggle, and mostly denied, thanks to the flagrant stupidity of the religious fanatics who mask their bigotry and hate behind &quot;scripture&quot;.

They should go back to stoning people to death for eating shellfish and leave Gays alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is amazing &#8230; they&#8217;ve had marriage equality in the Netherlands for almost 9 years now,and the sky didn&#8217;t fall, there were no Pat Robertson tornados, the levees didn&#8217;t all collapse; but here in the &#8220;land of the free&#8221;  &#8230; it is still a struggle, and mostly denied, thanks to the flagrant stupidity of the religious fanatics who mask their bigotry and hate behind &#8220;scripture&#8221;.</p>
<p>They should go back to stoning people to death for eating shellfish and leave Gays alone.</p>
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