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	<title>Comments on: AG calls for rejection of Prop 8</title>
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		<title>By: Bud Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RODNEY MORE wrote: &quot;Obama is either A.) politically retarded thinking he could win the votes of the religious right or B.) just as homophobic as Warren or C.) both.&quot;

It&#039;s &quot;C&quot;.  And yes, Rodney, I too nearly lost a good friend as well who at first saw Obama as a fraud, but then jumped onboard the bandwagon out of fear that the Repugnant-cans might win again. I sympathize with those who believed that we were just given a &quot;Sophie&#039;s Choice&quot;. The old &quot;Lesser of two Evils&quot; cliché. 

On a related note, I defy any person of color who voted with the 70% of their ilk to deny us our equality and then who will, not doubt, join the predictable choirs,  whining &quot;activist judges&quot; and denouncing the California Supreme Court, when/if they strike down Prop 8.

The irony of this coming year is that it is the fiftieth anniversary of Brown -versus- Topeka Board of Education and the US Supreme Court decision which desegregated public schools. It could  also be a wonderful landmark year for the GLBT community if Prop 8 in California is overturned on this historical anniversary. 

Upon another ironic albeit  both forward and backwards stepping milestone, it is also worth noting that we just elected a pro-segregationist Black man as President of the “not-so” United States.

Still, I have every hope that eventually common sense and decency will wins out. I sincerely believe that we are on the winning side of history. Regretfully, so many of our fellow travelers have forgotten that we are still forced to endure many of the same injustices from which they, and their children, have since been liberated -- and with our support when they most desperately needed it. So now where is their support? 

Instead, they who once were persecuted now join hand-in-hand with the persecutors. How utterly shameful. History will remember that as well. That is their shameful contribution to the continuing legacy of liberation whose fruits they once voraciously reaped, but in returned, they now selfishly deny to others who are still starving for freedom.

Moral reciprocity is something that should be expected and it should have been forthcoming, but the Black Community’s lack of empathy towards the suffering of another oppressed minority says lot about the collective morality, or lack there of, by a formerly subjugated group in our society.

Still, kudos for Jerry Brown. It is refreshing to see allies who have nothing to gain from our struggle other than the gratification of being part of an ongoing effort to uphold the concept of equal justice for all. Unlike Obama, Attorney General Brown is not an equivocator on human rights. He does not weigh on the Scale of  Justice his own political ambitions balanced against the equal rights of his fellow citizens. Truly Jerry Brown is a not only a great American, but also an ethically superior person compared to our soon to be President. 


~ Bud Evans

http://rainfish2000.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RODNEY MORE wrote: &#8220;Obama is either A.) politically retarded thinking he could win the votes of the religious right or B.) just as homophobic as Warren or C.) both.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;C&#8221;.  And yes, Rodney, I too nearly lost a good friend as well who at first saw Obama as a fraud, but then jumped onboard the bandwagon out of fear that the Repugnant-cans might win again. I sympathize with those who believed that we were just given a &#8220;Sophie&#8217;s Choice&#8221;. The old &#8220;Lesser of two Evils&#8221; cliché. </p>
<p>On a related note, I defy any person of color who voted with the 70% of their ilk to deny us our equality and then who will, not doubt, join the predictable choirs,  whining &#8220;activist judges&#8221; and denouncing the California Supreme Court, when/if they strike down Prop 8.</p>
<p>The irony of this coming year is that it is the fiftieth anniversary of Brown -versus- Topeka Board of Education and the US Supreme Court decision which desegregated public schools. It could  also be a wonderful landmark year for the GLBT community if Prop 8 in California is overturned on this historical anniversary. </p>
<p>Upon another ironic albeit  both forward and backwards stepping milestone, it is also worth noting that we just elected a pro-segregationist Black man as President of the “not-so” United States.</p>
<p>Still, I have every hope that eventually common sense and decency will wins out. I sincerely believe that we are on the winning side of history. Regretfully, so many of our fellow travelers have forgotten that we are still forced to endure many of the same injustices from which they, and their children, have since been liberated &#8212; and with our support when they most desperately needed it. So now where is their support? </p>
<p>Instead, they who once were persecuted now join hand-in-hand with the persecutors. How utterly shameful. History will remember that as well. That is their shameful contribution to the continuing legacy of liberation whose fruits they once voraciously reaped, but in returned, they now selfishly deny to others who are still starving for freedom.</p>
<p>Moral reciprocity is something that should be expected and it should have been forthcoming, but the Black Community’s lack of empathy towards the suffering of another oppressed minority says lot about the collective morality, or lack there of, by a formerly subjugated group in our society.</p>
<p>Still, kudos for Jerry Brown. It is refreshing to see allies who have nothing to gain from our struggle other than the gratification of being part of an ongoing effort to uphold the concept of equal justice for all. Unlike Obama, Attorney General Brown is not an equivocator on human rights. He does not weigh on the Scale of  Justice his own political ambitions balanced against the equal rights of his fellow citizens. Truly Jerry Brown is a not only a great American, but also an ethically superior person compared to our soon to be President. </p>
<p>~ Bud Evans</p>
<p><a href="http://rainfish2000.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://rainfish2000.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lets not dilute the word ‘bigot. Not everyone who disagrees with gay marriage is a bigots.We are calling Obama a bigot now?&quot;

Yes Obama is indeed a bigot, a soft bigot, but a bigot nonetheless. And in all honesty soft bigotry is harder to defeat than the average bigoted redneck on the street, because Obama gives homophobia a veneer of acceptability. 

In all honesty the Rick Warren scandal is very much symbolism, it&#039;s not that important on the grander scheme of things. However it was the feather that broke the camel&#039;s back. HomophObama has never supported gay equality, he&#039;s always opposed marriage equality and he was complicit in the passage of Prop 8. I myself didn&#039;t vote for him, because I saw that he didn&#039;t care about gay people and our concerns. I&#039;ve lost friends because of their irrational Obamamania. All of these things culminated when Obama invited one of the biggest homophobic generals from the culture war to lead the benediction at the inauguration. All of this in the name of diversity of course. Obama&#039;s from Chicago, why doesn&#039;t he invite the neo-Nazis and holocaust victims from Skokie and ask them to seek common ground!?! It&#039;ll never happen. So why the hell, should gay and lesbian people be asked to sit down at the table of brotherhood with a bigot who uses his position to deny us our human rights? That is NOT diversity, that is politics as usual. Obama is either a.) politically retarded thinking he could win the votes of the religious right or b.) just as homophobic as Warren or c.) both. 

Obama&#039;s and Warren&#039;s position on marriage equality is the same. Why is Warren more homophobic than Obama? Because Obama is black(or half black)? Lest we forget Obama&#039;s black Californian voters didn&#039;t hesitate for one second to deny us civil rights. Rick Warren, in my opinion, deserves more respect for putting action behind his belief. He opposes marriage equality and he&#039;s willing to fight against it. Obama opposes marriage equality yet he wants to play both sides so he can seem moderate and not scare away he&#039;s sworn enemies(the religious right). Yet he&#039;s shot himself in the foot, he&#039;s alienated white progressives and gay and lesbian Americans who supported him long before black America joined the bandwagon. And I am hoping, that in 2012, we(white progressives and gays) are part of his downfall. I myself will vote for a candidate who supports gay equality and marriage equality, regardless of their party, even if they&#039;re in a &quot;third party&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lets not dilute the word ‘bigot. Not everyone who disagrees with gay marriage is a bigots.We are calling Obama a bigot now?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes Obama is indeed a bigot, a soft bigot, but a bigot nonetheless. And in all honesty soft bigotry is harder to defeat than the average bigoted redneck on the street, because Obama gives homophobia a veneer of acceptability. </p>
<p>In all honesty the Rick Warren scandal is very much symbolism, it&#8217;s not that important on the grander scheme of things. However it was the feather that broke the camel&#8217;s back. HomophObama has never supported gay equality, he&#8217;s always opposed marriage equality and he was complicit in the passage of Prop 8. I myself didn&#8217;t vote for him, because I saw that he didn&#8217;t care about gay people and our concerns. I&#8217;ve lost friends because of their irrational Obamamania. All of these things culminated when Obama invited one of the biggest homophobic generals from the culture war to lead the benediction at the inauguration. All of this in the name of diversity of course. Obama&#8217;s from Chicago, why doesn&#8217;t he invite the neo-Nazis and holocaust victims from Skokie and ask them to seek common ground!?! It&#8217;ll never happen. So why the hell, should gay and lesbian people be asked to sit down at the table of brotherhood with a bigot who uses his position to deny us our human rights? That is NOT diversity, that is politics as usual. Obama is either a.) politically retarded thinking he could win the votes of the religious right or b.) just as homophobic as Warren or c.) both. </p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s and Warren&#8217;s position on marriage equality is the same. Why is Warren more homophobic than Obama? Because Obama is black(or half black)? Lest we forget Obama&#8217;s black Californian voters didn&#8217;t hesitate for one second to deny us civil rights. Rick Warren, in my opinion, deserves more respect for putting action behind his belief. He opposes marriage equality and he&#8217;s willing to fight against it. Obama opposes marriage equality yet he wants to play both sides so he can seem moderate and not scare away he&#8217;s sworn enemies(the religious right). Yet he&#8217;s shot himself in the foot, he&#8217;s alienated white progressives and gay and lesbian Americans who supported him long before black America joined the bandwagon. And I am hoping, that in 2012, we(white progressives and gays) are part of his downfall. I myself will vote for a candidate who supports gay equality and marriage equality, regardless of their party, even if they&#8217;re in a &#8220;third party&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lovari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lovari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 
Inspired by the recent 
passing of Proposition 8 in CA  and hate crime attacks in NYC 2008, 
The charity dance single 
&quot;FREE TO LOVE&quot; 
written and perfomed by Lovari (www.myspace.com/Lovari) and also 
featuring  Harmonica Sunbeam,Scandelle,Janifer,Geo Vaughn,&amp;Bry&#039;NT  
  
&quot;FREE TO LOVE&quot; is  available for sale
as an mp3 charity single on www.cdbaby.com/cd/ouryouthorg 
All proceeds will benefit Our Youth Organization, The Joey DiPaolo Foundation, A.N.G.E.L. Initiative, and various Anti Prop 8 organizations. 

&quot;FREE TO LOVE&quot; is currently available for listening on www.myspace.com/Lovari, www.myspace.com/our_youth , WBAI 99.5 FM (NYC), WKTU 103.5 FM (NYC), WKJCE FM (PA), and is supported 
members of the Anti Prop 8 organization www.JoinTheImpact.com 
  
Contact Information: 
Anthony Lovari 
(718) 306-2357 
LovariMusic@Yahoo.Com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE<br />
Inspired by the recent<br />
passing of Proposition 8 in CA  and hate crime attacks in NYC 2008,<br />
The charity dance single<br />
&#8220;FREE TO LOVE&#8221;<br />
written and perfomed by Lovari (www.myspace.com/Lovari) and also<br />
featuring  Harmonica Sunbeam,Scandelle,Janifer,Geo Vaughn,&amp;Bry&#8217;NT  </p>
<p>&#8220;FREE TO LOVE&#8221; is  available for sale<br />
as an mp3 charity single on <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ouryouthorg" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ouryouthorg</a><br />
All proceeds will benefit Our Youth Organization, The Joey DiPaolo Foundation, A.N.G.E.L. Initiative, and various Anti Prop 8 organizations. </p>
<p>&#8220;FREE TO LOVE&#8221; is currently available for listening on <a href="http://www.myspace.com/Lovari" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/Lovari</a>, <a href="http://www.myspace.com/our_youth" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/our_youth</a> , WBAI 99.5 FM (NYC), WKTU 103.5 FM (NYC), WKJCE FM (PA), and is supported<br />
members of the Anti Prop 8 organization <a href="http://www.JoinTheImpact.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.JoinTheImpact.com</a> </p>
<p>Contact Information:<br />
Anthony Lovari<br />
(718) 306-2357<br />
<a href="mailto:LovariMusic@Yahoo.Com">LovariMusic@Yahoo.Com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bud Burgoon-Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Burgoon-Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RJLigier said:

&quot;After more than a fifty year free ride in the public and private sectors based on fraudulent and fallacious research, the neurotic among us still want special treatment. I think it’s time for MRI polygraphs for the LGBT legal and medical professional communities.&quot;

Um, what exactly are you talking about? The junk science that got Paul Cameron unfrocked as a psychologist or psychiatrist or whatever he was?

What precisely is an &quot;MRI polygraph?&quot; &quot;MRI&quot; stands for &quot;magnetic resonance imaging;&quot; a &quot;polygraph&quot; is a lie detector. AFAIK the two are not used together, except on &quot;House MD&quot; .

If *I* was getting &quot;a free ride&quot; the past fifty years (I&#039;m sixty-four), *I* certainly didn&#039;t notice it.

Bud Burgoon-Clark
San Diego CA USA
happily and LEGALLY married to my husband
after a 30+ year &quot;engagement&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJLigier said:</p>
<p>&#8220;After more than a fifty year free ride in the public and private sectors based on fraudulent and fallacious research, the neurotic among us still want special treatment. I think it’s time for MRI polygraphs for the LGBT legal and medical professional communities.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, what exactly are you talking about? The junk science that got Paul Cameron unfrocked as a psychologist or psychiatrist or whatever he was?</p>
<p>What precisely is an &#8220;MRI polygraph?&#8221; &#8220;MRI&#8221; stands for &#8220;magnetic resonance imaging;&#8221; a &#8220;polygraph&#8221; is a lie detector. AFAIK the two are not used together, except on &#8220;House MD&#8221; .</p>
<p>If *I* was getting &#8220;a free ride&#8221; the past fifty years (I&#8217;m sixty-four), *I* certainly didn&#8217;t notice it.</p>
<p>Bud Burgoon-Clark<br />
San Diego CA USA<br />
happily and LEGALLY married to my husband<br />
after a 30+ year &#8220;engagement&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Burgoon-Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Burgoon-Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony said:

&quot;think “ALL GAY PEOPLE” from around the country should move to one of the states in the west coast ...&quot;

No, we should have a disciplined, coherent, UNITED, WELL-FUNDED *fifty state* strategy. It worked for Obama; it COULD work for US, if we&#039;d get our political ACT together. And it will have to be a LONG-TERM strategy. 

Bring in pro-equality legislation and nominate pro-equality candidates in MISSISSIPPI and the rest of the &quot;Old South.&quot; 

LGBTQA people in THOSE sad states need our support, probably more than those in &quot;blue&quot; states. 

Gay people are NOT safe outside the city limits of large cities and university towns in red states (if THEN).

File a BLIZZARD of lawsuits WHENEVER LGBTQA people experience ANY kind of discrimination.

GIVE $$$ to the ACLU; they&#039;re the most visible and effective legal advocates.

I&#039;m withholding donations to most gay organizations until they can prove to me that they are going to use my money EFFECTIVELY, rather than for posh award dinners and fancy offices.

Bud Burgoon-Clark
San Diego CA USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony said:</p>
<p>&#8220;think “ALL GAY PEOPLE” from around the country should move to one of the states in the west coast &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No, we should have a disciplined, coherent, UNITED, WELL-FUNDED *fifty state* strategy. It worked for Obama; it COULD work for US, if we&#8217;d get our political ACT together. And it will have to be a LONG-TERM strategy. </p>
<p>Bring in pro-equality legislation and nominate pro-equality candidates in MISSISSIPPI and the rest of the &#8220;Old South.&#8221; </p>
<p>LGBTQA people in THOSE sad states need our support, probably more than those in &#8220;blue&#8221; states. </p>
<p>Gay people are NOT safe outside the city limits of large cities and university towns in red states (if THEN).</p>
<p>File a BLIZZARD of lawsuits WHENEVER LGBTQA people experience ANY kind of discrimination.</p>
<p>GIVE $$$ to the ACLU; they&#8217;re the most visible and effective legal advocates.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m withholding donations to most gay organizations until they can prove to me that they are going to use my money EFFECTIVELY, rather than for posh award dinners and fancy offices.</p>
<p>Bud Burgoon-Clark<br />
San Diego CA USA</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;ALL GAY PEOPLE&quot; from around the country should move to one of the states in the west coast and make it our own from small business to government. we would be able to write the laws the way we need them to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;ALL GAY PEOPLE&#8221; from around the country should move to one of the states in the west coast and make it our own from small business to government. we would be able to write the laws the way we need them to be.</p>
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		<title>By: LOrion</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOrion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarrellec...we&#039;ll see. Let&#039;s just hope that is the judgement, then we are back to the old, very, very old &#039;ACTIVIST Judges&#039; again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarrellec&#8230;we&#8217;ll see. Let&#8217;s just hope that is the judgement, then we are back to the old, very, very old &#8216;ACTIVIST Judges&#8217; again.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarrellec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarrellec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The suits say that under the California Constitution, such radical changes to the organizing principles of state government cannot be made by simple majority vote through the initiative process, but instead must, at a minimum, go through the state legislature first.&quot;
**************
And, as we all know, California State Legislature already passed a bill guaranteeing same-sex marriage, just as the very same people who supported Prop. 8 previously demanded had to be done instead of &quot;radical judges&quot; approving same-sex marriage.
And Ah-nold vetoed the bill.
Ah-nold said he would not veto the bill again, should it come through the legislature, so, these anachronistic hypocrites created Prop 8.
Judges, legislature, vote...however &quot;they&quot; say something HAS to be done, they inevitably change the rules when that test is satisfied.
I do wonder what the next tactic will be when Prop 8 is determined to have been fundamentally unconstitutional?
That such laws shouldn&#039;t be left up to the &quot;radical&quot; constitution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The suits say that under the California Constitution, such radical changes to the organizing principles of state government cannot be made by simple majority vote through the initiative process, but instead must, at a minimum, go through the state legislature first.&#8221;<br />
**************<br />
And, as we all know, California State Legislature already passed a bill guaranteeing same-sex marriage, just as the very same people who supported Prop. 8 previously demanded had to be done instead of &#8220;radical judges&#8221; approving same-sex marriage.<br />
And Ah-nold vetoed the bill.<br />
Ah-nold said he would not veto the bill again, should it come through the legislature, so, these anachronistic hypocrites created Prop 8.<br />
Judges, legislature, vote&#8230;however &#8220;they&#8221; say something HAS to be done, they inevitably change the rules when that test is satisfied.<br />
I do wonder what the next tactic will be when Prop 8 is determined to have been fundamentally unconstitutional?<br />
That such laws shouldn&#8217;t be left up to the &#8220;radical&#8221; constitution?</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Rosenqvist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Rosenqvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve hired Ken Starr for this? What is wrong with these people?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve hired Ken Starr for this? What is wrong with these people?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not wrong to reject John McCain, I WAS wrong in accepting Barack Obama. THAT mistake won&#039;t be happening again. He take hypocrisy to a whole new level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not wrong to reject John McCain, I WAS wrong in accepting Barack Obama. THAT mistake won&#8217;t be happening again. He take hypocrisy to a whole new level.</p>
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