I just can’t see justifying religion by saying its only bad when “conservative”. I think conservative values have a lot to offer humanity, but in today’s political world religion has taken over the conservative movement and it gets a bad name.

Good conservative values would promote civil rights, abortion rights and a government that stays out of our private lives.

I really fear that religion has ruined conservativism…and please don’t accuse me of supporting the Bush administration….the least conservative administration we have had with its socialistic big brother attitude, take over of private equity markets, torture and the allowing of religion to control everything.

We need to be very clear in our fight against religion…not muddy the waters with conservative or liberal. ALL religion is bad…you simply can’t say it is certain religions acting wrongly in the name of God..there is no god, so you can’t act wrongly, its all the same: mind control for the simple masses.

We have to promote education, reject religion and its evil influences in its entirety, or we will continue to see one group or another oppressed because without the fear they instill in people, there is no need to tithe.

So reject religion, don’t live in fear of the “afterlife” (there isn’t one) and you will see the reasons for hating groups of people and in fact the teaching of those reasons dissapear.

Chris – I agree. But really I learned on 9/11. And it is all the same. I could roast the Catholic church here, but instead I’ll talk about the orthodox Jews, who came out against gay marriage. The very people whose cousins, and even maybe parents shared hitler’s ovens during the holocaust, are joining with the very people who perpetrated hatred against the Jews for a millenia. And hitler used that hatred to gain absolute power in the late 30’s, and the result was world war two.

So, I hope I have just explained that most conservative religions are an abomination before God, whatever their specific beliefs, be they catholic, christian, Jewish, or Muslim.

And yes, I went with my wife to Rosh Hashonah services last evening. So I think I have the right to say what I did. And I can in some ways think about people I never knew, the siblings of my great grand parents who never left eastern Europe. Their names are unknown to any of my living relatives, but any contact with them was, I am told, lost by about 1941.

Creep and out of touch are hardly the words to use. Maybe hypocrits touches on the truth, or should we consider people who hurt other people in the name of their Gods and conservative religions, and those who propagate these vile beliefs, as being in some ways mentally ill.