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	<title>Comments on: 18,000 Cal. gay marriages in limbo until March at earliest</title>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LLoyd Peacock,
I may one day find myself taking up residence in Canada and maybe working on gaining Canadian citizenship if my country doesn&#039;t get out from under this idea that democracy consists of the mob mentality of putting people&#039;s civil rights up for a majority vote...&quot;will and intent and right of the people to vote on the gay marriage rights of a minority group.... tyranny of the majority etc.....

Canada is way ahead of the USA on gay civil rights as any informed person knows....marriage equality from &quot;sea to shining sea&quot; (as goes often sung &quot;America the Beautiful&quot; a very well-known (for Americans, that is) patriotic USA anthem that is almost our &quot;unofficial national anthem&quot;) in Canada but not in USA.

There things move with glacial speed in the USA and meanwhile we gays in the USA are not getting any younger and it is impossible to have a real future given by rights and protections for our life partners and ourselves in the 33 out of 50 American states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LLoyd Peacock,<br />
I may one day find myself taking up residence in Canada and maybe working on gaining Canadian citizenship if my country doesn&#8217;t get out from under this idea that democracy consists of the mob mentality of putting people&#8217;s civil rights up for a majority vote&#8230;&#8221;will and intent and right of the people to vote on the gay marriage rights of a minority group&#8230;. tyranny of the majority etc&#8230;..</p>
<p>Canada is way ahead of the USA on gay civil rights as any informed person knows&#8230;.marriage equality from &#8220;sea to shining sea&#8221; (as goes often sung &#8220;America the Beautiful&#8221; a very well-known (for Americans, that is) patriotic USA anthem that is almost our &#8220;unofficial national anthem&#8221;) in Canada but not in USA.</p>
<p>There things move with glacial speed in the USA and meanwhile we gays in the USA are not getting any younger and it is impossible to have a real future given by rights and protections for our life partners and ourselves in the 33 out of 50 American states.</p>
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		<title>By: Silvana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silvana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very disturbing to see that MY rights have been revoked by a simple majority vote.This is outrageous! We will win this and hopefully sooner than later. And my prayers are for those 18,000 couples that did get married. Its just sad that now these couples future is uncertain because of this stupid, unnecessary proposition that shouldn&#039;t have been on the ballots in the 1st place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very disturbing to see that MY rights have been revoked by a simple majority vote.This is outrageous! We will win this and hopefully sooner than later. And my prayers are for those 18,000 couples that did get married. Its just sad that now these couples future is uncertain because of this stupid, unnecessary proposition that shouldn&#8217;t have been on the ballots in the 1st place.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In talking about same sex marriage as a civil right I think we need to remind Americans of the language the Supreme Court used in its 1967 Loving vs Virginia decision (striking down laws prohibiting mixed race marriage):  &quot;...marriage is a basic civil right of man...&quot;.
Similar language citing marriage as a basic civil right has appeared in several Supreme Court cases since (an example was in the decision upholding the right of federal prisoners to marry).
mark, rochester, mn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In talking about same sex marriage as a civil right I think we need to remind Americans of the language the Supreme Court used in its 1967 Loving vs Virginia decision (striking down laws prohibiting mixed race marriage):  &#8220;&#8230;marriage is a basic civil right of man&#8230;&#8221;.<br />
Similar language citing marriage as a basic civil right has appeared in several Supreme Court cases since (an example was in the decision upholding the right of federal prisoners to marry).<br />
mark, rochester, mn</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Burgoon-Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Burgoon-Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A point, and a sidebar:

1. MY church performs same-sex marriages. Prop Hate is a violation of MY freedom of religion.

2. &quot;God&#039;s Word&quot; ... WHICH Word? We have no primary sources ... the Ark containing the Tablets of the Law mysteriously disappeared; we have no scrolls from the hands of Moses, Isaiah, Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul or anybody else. Most of the tradition was borrowed from other Middle Eastern traditions, principally Mithras, which also had a virgin-born suffering saviour who died and rose again; and from what little we know about their rituals, historians THINK that they also met to symbolically eat and drink the body and blood of their saviour-hero-warrior god.

There isn&#039;t a Bible translation in existence that isn&#039;t backed by the bankrollers of the translation, from St. Jerome&#039;s Vulgate to the King James Version to the plethora of modern translations.

BTW: the word &quot;homosexual&quot; wasn&#039;t coined until the 19th century, so translators who use it in their Bibles are BALD-FACED LIARS.

Not a terribly good recommendation for the infallibility and inerrancy of a book of myths, stories, and poetry (some of it pornographic ... &quot;come from Lebanon, my sister, my bride ... come.&quot;

Bud Burgoon-Clark
San Diego CA USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A point, and a sidebar:</p>
<p>1. MY church performs same-sex marriages. Prop Hate is a violation of MY freedom of religion.</p>
<p>2. &#8220;God&#8217;s Word&#8221; &#8230; WHICH Word? We have no primary sources &#8230; the Ark containing the Tablets of the Law mysteriously disappeared; we have no scrolls from the hands of Moses, Isaiah, Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul or anybody else. Most of the tradition was borrowed from other Middle Eastern traditions, principally Mithras, which also had a virgin-born suffering saviour who died and rose again; and from what little we know about their rituals, historians THINK that they also met to symbolically eat and drink the body and blood of their saviour-hero-warrior god.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a Bible translation in existence that isn&#8217;t backed by the bankrollers of the translation, from St. Jerome&#8217;s Vulgate to the King James Version to the plethora of modern translations.</p>
<p>BTW: the word &#8220;homosexual&#8221; wasn&#8217;t coined until the 19th century, so translators who use it in their Bibles are BALD-FACED LIARS.</p>
<p>Not a terribly good recommendation for the infallibility and inerrancy of a book of myths, stories, and poetry (some of it pornographic &#8230; &#8220;come from Lebanon, my sister, my bride &#8230; come.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bud Burgoon-Clark<br />
San Diego CA USA</p>
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		<title>By: blacksteel</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacksteel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hope&quot; and &quot;God&#039;s way&quot; sound like the same person. In any event, the idea that one speaks for &quot;God&quot; is the epitome of arrogance and hubris. It&#039;s what makes that kind of thinking so dangerous.

If you wonder how anyone could adhere to such extremist views, including religion-based hostility towards gays, you might find that the following online book explains a lot. It&#039;s a free download.  

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/ - The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer, Associate Professor, Department of Psychology, University of Manitoba

By the way, the author&#039;s research into the authoritarian mentality was used by John Dean, the former Nixon legal counsel, in his book called Conservatives Without Conscience, in which he points out that the GOP has been taken over by fundamentalists and other right-wing extremists, and that authoritarianism now dominates conservative thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hope&#8221; and &#8220;God&#8217;s way&#8221; sound like the same person. In any event, the idea that one speaks for &#8220;God&#8221; is the epitome of arrogance and hubris. It&#8217;s what makes that kind of thinking so dangerous.</p>
<p>If you wonder how anyone could adhere to such extremist views, including religion-based hostility towards gays, you might find that the following online book explains a lot. It&#8217;s a free download.  </p>
<p><a href="http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/" rel="nofollow">http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/</a> &#8211; The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer, Associate Professor, Department of Psychology, University of Manitoba</p>
<p>By the way, the author&#8217;s research into the authoritarian mentality was used by John Dean, the former Nixon legal counsel, in his book called Conservatives Without Conscience, in which he points out that the GOP has been taken over by fundamentalists and other right-wing extremists, and that authoritarianism now dominates conservative thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last two comments were &quot;Replies&quot; to Hope and God&#039;s Way; I just couldn&#039;t help myself in responding to the two religious trolls visiting a GAY website.  

And to the others here, seeing progress in Nepal is so encouraging; one state at a time, one country at a time, equal rights will prevail for ALL. EQUALITY period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last two comments were &#8220;Replies&#8221; to Hope and God&#8217;s Way; I just couldn&#8217;t help myself in responding to the two religious trolls visiting a GAY website.  </p>
<p>And to the others here, seeing progress in Nepal is so encouraging; one state at a time, one country at a time, equal rights will prevail for ALL. EQUALITY period.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Peacock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Peacock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God we live in Canada. I could never understand how, through a proposition a majority of citizens could remove the rights of a minority.When we were fighting for same-sex marriage in Canada one of the suggestions of the government opposition party was to have all Canadians vote on our right to marry. This idea is total nonsense. Courts are created to protect the rights of minorities against the biases and bigotry of the majority. We won our rights through the court system and later confirmed by legislation. I suggest to our friends in the States, that&#039;s where you will win also. All the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God we live in Canada. I could never understand how, through a proposition a majority of citizens could remove the rights of a minority.When we were fighting for same-sex marriage in Canada one of the suggestions of the government opposition party was to have all Canadians vote on our right to marry. This idea is total nonsense. Courts are created to protect the rights of minorities against the biases and bigotry of the majority. We won our rights through the court system and later confirmed by legislation. I suggest to our friends in the States, that&#8217;s where you will win also. All the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no reason to read the words of man in a &#039;bible&#039; ... you folks can enjoy that on your own.  Such audacity to think that any of you could actually speak FOR God!  ha!  Enjoy your fear and miserable attempts at controlling others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no reason to read the words of man in a &#8216;bible&#8217; &#8230; you folks can enjoy that on your own.  Such audacity to think that any of you could actually speak FOR God!  ha!  Enjoy your fear and miserable attempts at controlling others.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How amazing that you humans KNOW the word of God; what you know is the word of man, many times translated into something serviceable to control the likes of you.  Good luck with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How amazing that you humans KNOW the word of God; what you know is the word of man, many times translated into something serviceable to control the likes of you.  Good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: KenTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>KenTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not see how the legally executed and recorded marriages can be effected.  We have a long tradition of no ex post facto in the US and this is a clear case of that.  Prop 8 is nothing more than an ex post facto law, so you can not be held to the new standard after the fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not see how the legally executed and recorded marriages can be effected.  We have a long tradition of no ex post facto in the US and this is a clear case of that.  Prop 8 is nothing more than an ex post facto law, so you can not be held to the new standard after the fact.</p>
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