In my opinion, Muslims that remain silent while other Muslims murder innocent people, have a hand in that murder. By their silence they give consent to those actions. For all of the statements we hear that the Muslim religion is such a “peace loving” people – their actions do NOT reflect this. Where is the outrage when GLBT people are murdered in full public view? Don’t give me this CRAP about the “few good apples” and how bad Christians are. I was raised a Catholic, I KNOW what a disturbed religion Christianity can be – but its negative elements PALE in comparison to the sick atrocities that many Muslims commit in the name of their religion. They treat women like crap, they treat GLBT like sh*t and then have the GAUL to expect us to treat them the way they want and when they don’t get what they want they threaten people with violence and murder? Well, that just isn’t going to happen here! WHY? Well, let me give you an example, ever wonder why, as anti-gay as the Catholic hierarcy is, why many American catholics are actually quite pro-gay? Because we have the ability TO THINK FOR OURSELVES! Maybe its because the brainwashing we all receive as children was not 100% effective. Maybe its because we can see when our religion is manifesting into a temple to our own ego. The Muslim religion needs to do some serious soul searching, while they still have a soul left.

Was it not the Bosnian Muslims who were the victims of ethnic cleansing by the Serbian Christians in the Bosnian war. You would hope a once persecuted minority would stand up for the total freedom of all other minorities. It seems the Bosnian Muslims have failed to learn this basic lesson. The abused child now grows up to be the abuser. How sad and pathetic.

yeah..i think if u live in a society you have to know how to respect others culture and \then of course you get respected at back..doesnt matter islam or christianty or jewish ..in christian many countries gay community get its fair pay of bigotism of religion and machoist culture..just as in bosnia or rusia..or romania..i guess when u think religion wise,,islam is not the only cancer we have to deal to cure..

In some poltically and scoially liberal type western countries, it is easier to find more liberal churches. I live in USA and liberal gay welcoming churches can be found these days in major US cities like Washington, DC and its Maryland suburbs. We are in the more liberal “Blue State” area of the MidAltantic NOrtheat US aree in the more liberal part of our country, so I live in an area where it everything is more liberal in general. DC and Maryland are much more heavily Democrat and gay people have a DC domestic-partner registry law and the curreent governor of Maryland at least favors gay civil unions. So liberal gay welcoming religious institutions are quite easy to find, in fact I belong to a gay welcoming church with a very diverse comgregation, gay senior warden, gay organist, and occasional gay partnered visiting priest. My church welcomes all ands feeds the hungry and is involved in many good things that actually benefit poor and needy people. Our people are involved in literacy programs, cleaning the local stream, fixing the homes and garden of poor senior citizens not able to do these things any more. Several of our non-Hispanic members have learned to speak Spanish. One of our white members adopted an Asian brother and sister years ago from Cambodia. Several of our older retire members are volunteering to aid in reading and writing programs for young kids in a nearby school. We halp to serve hot meals at a local charity, so our church’s level of volunteering for various things of proven benefit to scoiety is quite high. A few years back Several of our people including myself sent some nice warm coats and jackets in good condition that we couldn’t fit into anymore for the wintertime to the victims of Katrina hurricane in Louisianna, and Mississippi areas.

I attended several rallies in Boston, Massachusetts for many hours each time and saw lots of gay and pro-gay clergy supporting the gay marriage issue in the first state in the USA to gay marriage. For those who do not live in the USA, California now also has legal state-wide gay marriage. There are gay-welcoming churches in California along with a large gay population.

I am a gay man and I can see for myself the good my church does as I am personally involved in the ministry of our church responsible for many of our church’s programs to feed and help the poor and the needy.

Most of our members are smart, well-educated and fairly sophisticated people with excellent careers, quite a few of whom have traveled outside of the USA including myself who has been as far east from DC as Finland, Estonia and Poland. This October several of us are going on a Walk to benefit hunger relief. Every Sunday we donate food in cans, boxes and bottles to a local food program to for the hungry. We make piles of sandwiches for bagged lunches for a charity that gives them out to homeless people.

This is a big focus of our church. We are never preaching to people outside of our church, we stick to meeting needs.

So there are churches, etc that do a great deal of good and that stick to meeting needs.

One has to wonder why some are compelled to voice their disagreement with an opinion with insults rather than reason. Let me try reason once again.

Chris Sullivan Said: “In my opinion, Muslims that remain silent while other Muslims murder innocent people, have a hand in that murder. By their silence they give consent to those actions. For all of the statements we hear that the Muslim religion is such a “peace loving” people – their actions do NOT reflect this.”

By your logic, this would also make the RCC (and others, no doubt) guilty of attempted genocide as, by their own admission, they remained silent on the atrocities committed by the Nazis during WW2. I can think of no greater crime against humanity.

“Where is the outrage when GLBT people are murdered in full public view?”

Where is the outrage when ones are murdered in some rural area and left hanging on a fence? Or when a 14 year old boy walks into class and shoots his gay 15 year old classmate in the back of the head? Where is the outrage when groups that supposedly represent us ask for leniency for this child murderer like he was some lost puppy that piddled on the carpet rather than someone who took a life in premeditated murder? The big difference is that here the few who do speak out wont be shot for doing so. The same cannot be said of those living in an Islamic country.

…”but its negative elements PALE in comparison to the sick atrocities that many Muslims commit in the name of their religion. They treat women like crap, they treat GLBT like sh*t and then have the GAUL to expect us to treat them the way they want and when they don’t get what they want they threaten people with violence and murder?”

In many christian societies, including our own (USA) until only a few decades ago, women we treated little better than as property with the purpose cleaning house, cooking and bearing children. It was less than a century ago that we finally recognized their equality and allowed them the right to vote. As far as our society’s treatment of the SCC (Second-Class Citizen) Community, we read the attrocities here every day. Granted things arent as bad here as in an Islamic country but that is only because we do not live under dogmatic (church) law as they do. If the situations were reversed, we would be treated exactly the same by the Christians. History already has an example of what happens when Christian law prevails…it was called the Inquisition and don’t you know they were a lovely bunch of folks. You claim that the atrocities committed by Muslims are worse, I challenge you to name one crime committed by them that Christianity hasn’t done as well.

“Well, let me give you an example, ever wonder why, as anti-gay as the Catholic hierarcy is, why many American catholics are actually quite pro-gay? Because we have the ability TO THINK FOR OURSELVES! Maybe its because the brainwashing we all receive as children was not 100% effective. Maybe its because we can see when our religion is manifesting into a temple to our own ego.”

How anti-gay can they be when they still support an organization that is very much anti-gay? Recalling your logic of the associated & shared guilt by silence, isn’t that exactly what these people are doing? It like saying, “I’m not a terrorist if I’m only funding the terrorist.” My hands are still clean. You are correct in stating the brainwashing doesn’t always stick, and I’m quite sure that if it were allowed to do so freely, Islam would undergo a similar transformation. My intent isn’t to say that all Christians are bad but rather to point out the hypocrisy of claiming to hate one group when its actions have been mirrored by similar groups throughout history. I happen to know some very cool gay people who happen to be Christian, as well as some cool non-gay Christians. I know that in a group that contains millions of members, to say that they are all one thing or another is to judge that group by its stereotype. To blindly lump all Muslims into the same basket and assume they are all human rights abusers, rather than judging by each individuals character, is no different that those who would judge the SCC Community by our stereotypes. Its called prejudice and it is not the trademark of someone who “thinks for himself”. Indeed, playing to stereotypes rarely involves any thinking at all.

Keeping in mind the fact that Islam is not a religion as we think of religion , but a system of management for all elements of life. There is no such thing as ’secular’. That makes the various branches of Islam potentially the ultimate all-encomapssing , tyranny.It’s operating engine is entrenched fear.In most countries with majority Muslims ; you can be separated from your life at a moment’s notice.If there is any semblance of ‘moderation’; it is seen perhaps in the article presently online at 365gay.com, about a same-sex couple in Senegal who were recently sentenced to two years in prison for getting married in Belgium.And , I doubt very much that a Senegalese prison has baseball diamonds and golf courses.I would be willing to bet that they have workshops , however, for sharpening any type of blade to be found on the planet.When I’m accused of not respecting the rights of those who are anti-gay , I agree with them , fully.And I tell them that I will not respect them or their rights until such time as it is reciprocal.

they saw it coming,btw why the fuck you say Bosnian muslims?,this people who are against this are orthodox,catolics and muslim,dont blame everything on muslims all the time