Comments on: Military courts HS dropouts while banning college trained gays

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:10:10 +0000

Thomas,
there were no end of good Christian clergy both gay and straight protesting for gay marriage at rallies for gay marriage and against gay marriage in Boston while this marriage issue was one of the most dominant issues of the day for that state. How do I know, I am a gay Christian and I was there any number of times at those rallies protesting for gay marriage rights.

By: Timmy

Timmy — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:48:31 +0000

People have a right to their beliefs whether it be freedom from religion, or freedom from freedom from atheism. I am happier and more fulfilled since I got free from atheism.

I totally disagree with Roger RamJet on one hand about religion, and on the other hand agree with his statement here on forcing a mix of military and religion. Forcing religion is dangerous and non-productive.

More people come willingly to a faith if its practioners are cheerful and do genuine good then if it is forced and just another tyranny, just as forcing atheism on an unwilling person would be tyranny.

However while people should keep religion to themselves, banning say the average military man or woman or any other person from a desired religion (as long as the practice of said religion was personal and not in conflict with laws meant for the safe running of society) would be an intolerable tyranny in itself.

I am a gay man and go to church as is my right to do. I have found for myself a happiness, peace and tranquility there. My church welcomes both gay and straight couples, we feed the hungry etc, but we never do anything but smile, be nice and serve hot meals to them and keep our faith to ourselves. My church attracts young couples with kids and gay couples as well because it is a place that wants diversity and the people going there are friendly and not pushing anything but the message I am exercising my right to my faith same as any other person is exercising right to be free of religion.

By: CHARLIE

CHARLIE — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:29:34 +0000

hbeforei, with all due respect, your head must be in a place where only a proctologist could find it! Religion, especially that infamous JudeoChristian poison, permeates every aspect of americans’ lives, culture, laws. In NYC the sale of alcahol is prohibited until after 1pm on Sunday to this very day! DUH! And as to the few good christians they, like the good muslims are keeping their heads down and their mouths shut. The muslims because they want to live(thier fanatics have no constitution to impede their holy justice) and the christians because the want to survive in this theocratic democracy. The last chairman of the JCS Peter “Perfect” Pace said that homosexuality, like adultury, was immoral and we punish both. They have BA prayer meetings in the Pentagon. 75% of military chaplins are Protestant fringe group fanatics ie people who BELIEVE that Pat “The Rat” Robinson talks to God! No matter what semantic word games u play, if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck chances are about 99.4% (like Ivory soap) ITS A DUCK! Congress (Suprise! Suprise!) got Don’t ask Don’t Tell half right. It has no place in the armed forces that defend this nation.
It contradicts all the Military Acadamies Honor Codes which prohibit lying either by commission or OMISSION. Thus corupting the very system it claims to protect. BUT…it would be a very good law if applied to religious beliefs. Good news of jesus christ? If I didn’t ask, keep your mouth shut and your beliefs to your self! It would keep the JOHOs and their toilet paper away from your door on sunday morning! The good book(and the only BOOK that matters, the U.S. Constitution) says Congress shall make no law respecting any religion, follow the law and respect none of them until they earn it by following the law and paying taxes like any other corporation! Our founding fathers wisely referred to a CREATOR (not any god) and didn’t define who or what he, she or it was, leaving that to each individual citizen to decide. BTW Loved your “pentagon speak” thought it would make a great Saturday Night Live skit! U can call it a multi position earth moving entrenching tool, but at the end of the day its just a fucking shovel! ACT UP! THE FIGHT GOES ON!

By: Thomas

Thomas — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:46:10 +0000

To hbeforei, If their are any GOOD Christians then where is their voice? We certainly have not seen or heard from them in the last eight years. And I disagree that religion has nothing to do with keeping gay & lesbian people not only silenced in the military but thrown out at the cost of 100′s of millions of dollars to me and other’s the tax payers.
In this country you are or were free to think and believe what you want as long as it doesn’t bring harm to others. The Imposition of religious beliefs does just that and there is no place in our Gov. or public places, public schools etc. funded by taxpayer dollars for the ramrodding of things that are little more then myth. As an ex-republican and an ex-christian I am more then happy to have transcended the need for either.

By: Peter-Nicholas

Peter-Nicholas — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:47:20 +0000

Of course, they only want straight
white trash whose only ability is
to stop a bullet! typical!

By: hbeforei

hbeforei — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:05:04 +0000

With all due respect, where does religion truly enter here? Though religion has over time *affected* the shape of contemporary society, the push toward heteronormativity and a gender binary is housed more in *cultural,* not religious, dicta. Yes, Judeo-Christian attitudes toward gender and sexuality are similar to the military’s views on appropriate gender representation, but their fear of the out gay man is more based in their push for a fully homogenously-gendered unit (by homogenous, I mean either encompassing “heterosexual man” or “heterosexual woman;” if homosexual, you stand distinct from classification, because they view them as inherently partly encompassing the other gender). It’s distinct from religion; you don’t get shit for being Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist (though why would you be in the military anyway), atheist, agnostic, or Pastafarian. They, in a way, embrace religious diversity.

All I’m saying here is, focus on the military itself, not the religion that has partially driven it. You’re using that as a scapegoat.

And, there are good Christians. Avoid such generalities; by painting them with a broad brush – declaring them violent and ignorant, and calling for their deposition – you paint yourself the same.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:21:45 +0000

It seems the Jesus freaks get whatever they want from the gov. military even now on MSnbc There is some fucking freak parading his/her little Jesus sign right in view of the cameras. I thought protesters were confined to a pen? Where the fuck are the non-believers. It has been shown throughout history that “Christians” are murderous judgemental myway or the highway people. We have a constitution that governs our country not some GodDamn religion. These fucking freaks need to be silenced and thrown out of Our Government. But once again the American people are a bunch of Pussies who only seem to will their way by dropping bombs from 60,000 feet. You all get what you deserve and then some!!!!!!!!!

By: Roger RamJet

Roger RamJet — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:43:49 +0000

Once again a federal agency has been completely overrun with born-again christians who are on a mission to convert this nation into a fundamentalist theocracy.

Throughout history, every time christians get their hands on a powerful government, they turn to blood lust and genocide until they themselves are thrown out of those government by the peoples of their countries.

The same occurs today. This dispicable military religious structure MUST be disbanded.

Call your Senator and congress person now and ask for the removal of all Soldier’s of Christ leading the Military establishment.