We are not going to go back to the dark ages.

Wow socialist are just as dogmatic and evil as the religious right…. it is so funny to listen to them they two sides of the same coin. Thanks for the laugh:) The principle of non discrimination may be well established but it is well wrong too. It reminds me of the cliche’ ” The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” You socialist are a hoot keep the laughs coming Comrades

“Let these doctors go work in a Seminary if they want to do god’s work. They sound very unholy and judgemental to me!!” As a member of the gay community I know how it feels to have others push their morality on me. I know that doing so is wrong when someone does that to me so too is it wrong for me to do it to others. What ever happened to live and let live and individual freedom?

Go ahead Chris I will support and defend your right to do so. Unless your are employed by any level of government and depending on your contractual obligations I will support and defend your right to discriminate for any reason rather you start a religion or not. I might not like or agree with it but I sure as hell will defend your right to do it. That is the Libertarian way.

“Only the judiciary can make such a determination.” No I did make that determination myself, But the government only recognizes the judiciary on that matter. It’s like same gender marriage…. there are same gender marriages in all 50 states the issue is recognition.

“You have to convince the CSC (and ultimately, the USSC) that these laws are unconstitutional. And with all due respect, Libertarians have failed to do that over the years. Repeatedly.” True! But just because the Judiciary says otherwise does not mean that they are correct it just means their determinations are recognized by the government as being correct. Truth and recognition are two independent elements.

“By your own admission, America has a fascination with “socialism” that pre-dates FDR. Thus, you’re in affect saying that socialism is deeply rooted in the nation’s history, tradition, and collective conscience. Are you sure you want to draw attention to that?” I did not say fascination although many do hold a fascination with it but I cannot say it is a majority or a minority because I have not polled the people. So I don’t know. Define “deeply rooted” I can not argue with rooted because that is so self evident. However your qualification of deeply rooted is arguable. Freedom once was deeply rooted but more and more people are willing to give it up for security rather it is financial security or personal security the once great American tradition of individualism is dieing like an unattended house plant.

” You’re not saying anything that resonates with the American people.” It is a sad commentary on the American people when the ideals of Freedom and Individualism does not resonate with them. Honestly I think it is the concept of Individual Responsibility that doesn’t resonate because everyone wants to be a victim.

“Politics is not just about windbaggery and bluster, you know. Sometimes winning is the point. And say what you will about the Republicans and Democrats, they’ve been winning for two centuries.” You are right Libertarians care more about being right then winning. We care more about being honest and hold true to individual liberty then about being winning.

OK, just saying it is unconstitutional doesn’t actually make it unconstitutional. Only the judiciary can make such a determination. You have to convince the CSC (and ultimately, the USSC) that these laws are unconstitutional. And with all due respect, Libertarians have failed to do that over the years. Repeatedly.

By your own admission, America has a fascination with “socialism” that pre-dates FDR. Thus, you’re in affect saying that socialism is deeply rooted in the nation’s history, tradition, and collective conscience. Are you sure you want to draw attention to that? In the Supreme Court, such an admission would be tantamount to putting up a white flag.

And that’s the problem with the Libertarian movement. You’re saying what you think is “right” in a very abrasive and unproductive way. But you’re not saying anything the courts want to hear. You’re not saying anything that resonates with the American people. Politics is not just about windbaggery and bluster, you know. Sometimes winning is the point. And say what you will about the Republicans and Democrats, they’ve been winning for two centuries.

If doctors feel that they can’t treat all patients equally, because of religious beliefs, then they should find a new line of work. What is next – the salesman somewhere refusing to sell something to a Jew, or a waitress in a restaurant refusing to serve a black. The principle of non discrimination is well established, and religion is NOT above the law.

We are not going to go back to the dark ages.

By your own admission, America has a fascination with “socialism” that pre-dates FDR. Thus, you’re in affect saying that socialism is deeply rooted in the nation’s history, tradition, and collective conscience. Are you sure you want to draw attention to that? In the Supreme Court, such an admission would be tantamount to putting up a white flag.

And that’s the problem with the Libertarian movement. You’re saying what you think is “right” in a very abrasive and unproductive way. But you’re not saying anything the courts want to hear. You’re not saying anything that resonates with the American people. Politics is not just about windbaggery and bluster, you know. Sometimes winning is the point. And say what you will about the Republicans and Democrats, they’ve been winning for two centuries.