July 10th, 2009
 

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Forum showed differences toward gay, women’s issues


(Lake Forrest, California) Presidential contenders Barack Obama and John McCain differed sharply on abortion Saturday, with McCain saying a baby’s human rights begin “at conception,” while Obama restated his support for legalized abortion.

Appearing on the same stage for the first time in months, although they overlapped only briefly, the two men shared their views on a range of moral, foreign and domestic issues as they near their respective nominating conventions.

Obama said he would limit abortions in the late stages of pregnancy if there are exceptions for the mother’s health. He said he knew that people who consider themselves pro-life will find his stance “inadequate.”

He said the government should do more to prevent unwanted pregnancies and to help struggling new mothers, such as providing needed resources to the poor, and better adoption services.

McCain expressed his anti-abortion stand simply and quickly, saying human rights begin the instant a human egg is fertilized. McCain, who adopted a daughter from Bangladesh, also called for making adoption easier.

The men’s comments came at a two-hour forum on faith hosted by the minister Rick Warren at his megachurch in Orange County, Calif. Obama joined Warren for the first hour, and McCain for the second. The two candidates briefly shook hands and hugged each other during the switch. McCain said he did not see or hear Obama’s session, which would have given him an advantage.

Obama said America’s greatest moral failure is its insufficient help to the disadvantaged. He noted that the Bible quotes Jesus as saying “whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.” He said the maxim should apply to victims of poverty, sexism and racism.

McCain said the nation’s greatest moral shortcoming is its failure to “devote ourselves to causes greater than our self-interests.”

Both men said marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Obama added that he supports civil unions for gay partners, which would give them rights such as hospital visits with one another. He said he opposed a constitutional ban on gay marriage, calling the matter a state issue.

McCain’s answer was less clear. If a federal court ordered his state, Arizona, to honor gay marriages allowed in Massachusetts, he said, “then I would favor a constitutional amendment. Until then, I believe the states should make the decisions within their own states.”After the September 2001 terrorist attacks, McCain said, there should have been a national push for joining the Peace Corps and other volunteer organizations. His comment seemed an indirect criticism of President Bush, who had urged tax cuts and more shopping at the time to stimulate the economy.

McCain also said he would pursue Osama bin Laden “to the gates of Hell,” another goal that might be seen as a swipe at the Bush administration.

In several cases, Obama gave a Christian interpretation to his generally liberal political views. He said he is redeemed by Jesus, who died for his sins.

McCain tended to give shorter, less complex answers, winning somewhat more applause than Obama from the large, evangelical church’s audience. On domestic matters, he restated his call to “drill now” in U.S. lands and waters for oil and natural gas.

McCain, asked the toughest decision in his life, cited his refusal to be released ahead of fellow U.S. prisoners of war in North Vietnam. “It took a lot of prayer,” he said.

He retold his story of a Christmas Day celebration outside his cell, when a prison guard etched a cross into the dirt. “For a moment, we were just two Christians worshipping there,” McCain said.

Warren asked each man to name a Supreme Court justice he would not have appointed. Obama cited Clarence Thomas. “I don’t think that he was a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation, setting aside the fact that I profoundly disagree with his interpretations of a lot of the Constitution,” Obama said.

He also named Justices Antonin Scalia and John Roberts, although he praised their intellect.

McCain named the court’s four most liberal members: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, David Souter and John Paul Stevens.

When Warren asked Obama to define the word “rich,” the Illinois senator teased the pastor about the mammoth sales of his book, “The Purpose Driven Life.” Obama noted his plan to add a new Social Security payroll tax to incomes above $250,000 a year.

McCain said, “some of the richest people I’ve ever known in my life are the most unhappy.”

He said being rich should be defined by having a home and a prosperous and safe world. Without mentioning Obama, he said some want to increase taxes.

“I don’t want to take any money from the rich. I want everybody to get rich,” McCain said.

When pushed on an exact number, he joked: “If you’re just talking about income, how about five million?” He added, “I’m sure that comment will be distorted.”

Asked to name three wise people they would listen to, Obama named his wife, Michelle; his maternal grandmother, who lives in Hawaii; and, not limiting himself to only a third, named several Democratic and Republican lawmakers.

McCain named Gen. David Petreaus, head of U.S. troops in Iraq; U.S. Rep. and veteran civil rights leader John Lewis, D-Ga.; and former eBay CEO Meg Whitman, a top adviser to his campaign.

He lauded Whitman for turning a five-person business into a billion-dollar piece of the economy. “It’s one of these great economic success stories,” McCain said.

Obama, asked his most significant policy shift in the last 10 years, cited welfare reform. As an Illinois state senator, he worked to mitigate what he thought could be “disastrous” effects of President Clinton’s welfare reform effort. But over time he said he came to embrace Clinton’s approach.

“We have to have work as a centerpiece of any social policy,” Obama said.

Asked why they want to be president, Obama said the United States should be an empathetic power for good in the world, a mission he fears is slipping away.

McCain said, “I want to inspire a generation of Americans to serve a cause greater than its self interest. . But I also believe we face enormous challenges, both of national security and domestic.”


Comments (35)
  • Quinn Said: August 18th, 2008 at 10:30 am
    • When will we get a candidate that isn’t afraid to stand up for the rights of everyone, not just the majority? 2050? 2100? It’s so discouraging when neither candidate believes you are worthy of equal rights. I would expect it from an old, white, good ol’ boy like McCain, but when a young, liberal, minority doesn’t even support it in 2008, that’s just rediculous. I will vote for him because I certainly wouldn’t want McCain in office, but it’s a bitter pill to swallow.

  • Trace Said: August 18th, 2008 at 11:10 am
    • Pastor Rick Warren is a very good man. It’s good to see such an impartial man interview both Obama and McCain.

      I hope that this puts to rest that Obama believes more strongly in equality for gay men and women. When Obama soundly and resolutely stated that he believed that marriage is between a man and a woman, it should have sent chills through every gay and lesbian supporter.

      We have achieved and gained more of the same. How interesting that the most gay supportive and inclusive/supportive candidates through the campaigns were Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani. (You’ll note that there were “R” rather than “D” behind their names.)

  • Mark Said: August 18th, 2008 at 11:30 am
    • Trace - and those liberal (R)’s never had a chance w/ the (R) voters. The real issue is Supreme court justice appointments - and McCain would seriously damage our future w/ his appointments. Obama will make better appointments for our future rights.

  • Thomas Said: August 18th, 2008 at 11:52 am
    • No surprises here: we’re all being sold out once again by shills of, by and for Big Business. Our choice is essentially the same as someone in the mid-20th century given a slate with Mussolini and Hitler. So yes, Obama is better, but better than what? Some democracy…

  • TigerTzu Said: August 18th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
    • McSame I can understand as just another Xerox copy of the traditional right-wing fascist that has plagued American politics for generations. I am deeply disappointed that Obama, a black man, has forgotten his peoples history and has the audacity to advocate a policy of “separate but equal” for anyone. Anyone thinking that he will be an advocate for GLBT rights is seriously deluding themselves. The ONLY way he will do this is if he wins a second term and therefore has nothing to lose by advocating an equal rights agenda. I think its time voters demanded a third option - None of the Above!

  • Censoredagain Said: August 18th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
    • Ok this is like the 100th article about Obomba and McInsane lets hear more about Barr, Nader and the rest that are not getting media attention.

  • Censoredagain Said: August 18th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
    • You forgot Mike Gravel and Dennis Kisinich both are Dems.

  • Censoredagain Said: August 18th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
    • Yes “none of the above” should be a choice for every elected office. However this year for Pres. I will be voting for Barr but he does have a shady voting record while serving as a R congressman. However, he converted to the Libertarian party several years ago and as acknowledge making mistakes like supporting DOMA and the “War on Drugs”.

      If other non hets don’t feel comfortable with him then I suggest voting for Nadar or some other party. Send the two major parties a message by not voting for them but for people in smaller parties.

  • Trace Said: August 18th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
    • As the election comes closer, I too am closer to voting for Barr. It’s becoming more and more evident that the Libertarian Party is the only party that will keep the government from interfering in everyone’s lives.

      The gay folk that blindly follow the Democrats remind me of sheep headed for the slaughter. Sad, Sad, Sad.

  • CHris Sullivan Said: August 18th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
    • Trace - wow, you are self-deceptive aren’t you? Just because neither McSame nor Obama support same sex marriage does not put them on the same level when you factor in that Obama supports civil unions and does not support DOMA - whereas McSame does supporty DOMA and would support an amendment to the Consitution to prevent gay marriage. How conveniently you overlooked these glaring differences. “Pastor” Rick Warren isn’t a “good man” because yuo say so - he is just another Evabgelical nut-job to many (myself included) who DOES NOT support gay marriage himself. It’s a shame Obama even has to pander to these nut jobs - but there are so many of them these days, he has little choice. Finding people who can actually think for themselves (or not willfully misinterpret things to their advantage, as your posting does) - is becoming harder and harder. Sad state of affairs to be sure, but God willing, Obama will be the next president of this country. If not, we deserve the continuation of the downward spiral we have been on for the past nearly 8 years.

  • Trace Said: August 18th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
    • WOW Chris S. You sure have drank that Democrat Kool Aid now ain’t ya? This anger and bitterness that you exude in every post seems to be very disheartening. Are you able to make one post without name calling or disparaging remarks?

  • Jennifer Vanasco Said: August 18th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
    • OK. Just a reminder to everyone that comments should be focused on the argument and not on personal attacks. If you want to get personal, exchange email addresses and take it off list.

      Personal attacks freeze speech, and are exasperating.

      If personal attacks persist, we will need to start banning folks from the boards, and I would hate to do that.

      Did someone attack you? Just post a comment that says, “personal attacks aren’t allowed here,” and if it IS a personal attack, I’ll email the attacker a warning.

  • randy Said: August 18th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
    • i resent the intrusion of this religious lithmus test into our presidential political process, and btw,did they cancel gluttony as a deadly sin,…the size of that rick warren….dear me.

  • Jim Said: August 18th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
    • What pettiness for people who have experienced all kinds of pettiness for their own individual being as a gay person.

      Who is the most oriented of the politicians to the rights of individual people. Who has to travel the tight rope of so many poor or ill-brained thinkers that live in this country.
      Some here in their writings show weakness of thought and prejudice which they themselves are victims of…rise above the pettiness. Who will come closest to the American you would love to prize. Only one man in my view, and for once, a man of a different stripe, not only in his views, but his personal personna. None other, then the Honorable Mr. Obama!!!!!

  • Trace Said: August 18th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
    • Randy’s comment about Rick Warren is not only out of line but uncalled for. Jim, I hope your comment about Obama is satire. I think that it is, but with so many worshiping at the Obama alter, I’m not quite sure. Obama, after all, is nothing new and nothing less (or more) than your standard politician.