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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/visiblevote08-wheres-the-gay/comment-page-1/#comment-25866</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take the party whose&#039;s conservative members would simple not advance our rights or give us half measures versus the party whose&#039;s conservative members would see us forcibly tattooed and round up in camps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take the party whose&#8217;s conservative members would simple not advance our rights or give us half measures versus the party whose&#8217;s conservative members would see us forcibly tattooed and round up in camps!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeFromCanada</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/visiblevote08-wheres-the-gay/comment-page-1/#comment-25691</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeFromCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My advice... If you&#039;re gay and you&#039;ve got an education move to Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice&#8230; If you&#8217;re gay and you&#8217;ve got an education move to Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/visiblevote08-wheres-the-gay/comment-page-1/#comment-25671</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bud and Blacksteel are basically correct. Most of the &quot;battleground&quot; states are already so anti-gay that there&#039;s very little point in the Republicans using the homophobia angle this year. In a sense, the GOP is a victim of its own success in 2004.

Although there&#039;s are amendments banning same-sex marriage on the California, Arizona, and Florida ballots, it is unlikely to change the dynamic in the presidential race. Obama has double digit leads in California. And Arizona will vote for its native son (John McCain). Florida Democrats and Independents are as socially conservative as the Republicans anyway. Ohio, Michigan, and Virginia already ban recognition of same-sex relationships of any kind. These bans already forbid civil unions and domestic partnerships. So, short of a meaningless recriminalization of sodomy, which will get thrown out by the courts as soon as it is passed,  there&#039;s nothing left to get indignant about. They&#039;ve already &quot;put the gays in their place&quot; at the bottom of the totem pole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bud and Blacksteel are basically correct. Most of the &#8220;battleground&#8221; states are already so anti-gay that there&#8217;s very little point in the Republicans using the homophobia angle this year. In a sense, the GOP is a victim of its own success in 2004.</p>
<p>Although there&#8217;s are amendments banning same-sex marriage on the California, Arizona, and Florida ballots, it is unlikely to change the dynamic in the presidential race. Obama has double digit leads in California. And Arizona will vote for its native son (John McCain). Florida Democrats and Independents are as socially conservative as the Republicans anyway. Ohio, Michigan, and Virginia already ban recognition of same-sex relationships of any kind. These bans already forbid civil unions and domestic partnerships. So, short of a meaningless recriminalization of sodomy, which will get thrown out by the courts as soon as it is passed,  there&#8217;s nothing left to get indignant about. They&#8217;ve already &#8220;put the gays in their place&#8221; at the bottom of the totem pole.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Vanasco</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/visiblevote08-wheres-the-gay/comment-page-1/#comment-25648</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Vanasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Alexa - we fixed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Alexa &#8211; we fixed it.</p>
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		<title>By: blacksteel</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacksteel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One reason for the pull back in anti-gay rhetoric may be the increasing influence and activism of gay voters in both parties.&quot;

I doubt that explanation very much, and I don&#039;t see why both parties are included. Aside from some conservatives in the party, the Democrats have not been the party of anti-gay rhetoric, now or in the past.  

Obviously, the Republicans have been and still are, but banning gay marriage, which has been one of their main rallying issues, has already been accomplished in most states in past elections. In this election, only 3 states are inviting voters to bash gays on marriage. That&#039;s surely a main reason why the anti-gay rhetoric is down. The religious right has already achieved most of what it wanted on that issue throughout the rest of the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One reason for the pull back in anti-gay rhetoric may be the increasing influence and activism of gay voters in both parties.&#8221;</p>
<p>I doubt that explanation very much, and I don&#8217;t see why both parties are included. Aside from some conservatives in the party, the Democrats have not been the party of anti-gay rhetoric, now or in the past.  </p>
<p>Obviously, the Republicans have been and still are, but banning gay marriage, which has been one of their main rallying issues, has already been accomplished in most states in past elections. In this election, only 3 states are inviting voters to bash gays on marriage. That&#8217;s surely a main reason why the anti-gay rhetoric is down. The religious right has already achieved most of what it wanted on that issue throughout the rest of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody want to tell me how Obama voted against DOMA when he wasn&#039;t even IN the US Congress in 1996?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody want to tell me how Obama voted against DOMA when he wasn&#8217;t even IN the US Congress in 1996?</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the Right-wing nuts have pretty much shot their wad over state marriage-inequality amendments -- that is, with most states having already written discrimination (to their everlasting shame) into their own State Constitutions.

So...what&#039;s left? Lawrence -v- Texas took reinstating sodomy laws off the table. Maybe a constitutional amendment against “good fashion sense“? 

What else can they do to us? Separate lunch counters? Reinstating old “Jim Crow” laws? 

...Oh, I&#039;m sorry, that’s Obama&#039;s “final solution” to the same-sex &quot;marriage” problem. 

I’ll also bet you that when President Obama gets around (don’t hold your breath) to allowing gays to serve openly in the military that he‘ll “compromise“ our personal dignity away with instituting separate barracks for gays and lesbians. See, that way everybody’s happy. Right?  

Then on employment non-discrimination, he’ll  “compromise” by allowing businesses with under 2,000 employees to be exempt from the law, as well as anyone with religious objections to the “homosexual lifestyle”.

They actually tried to pull that one over on the GLBT community under Tony Blair in jolly ol’ England. Watch and see how quickly people get “all religious” with that joke of a law. But I see it coming here and, unlike Great Britain where it was eventually rejected, it will probably be celebrated by Obama and the Democrats as a sensible “compromise“.

What a choice. Republicans who are so ruthlessly professional at persecuting us, and Democrats who are seasoned experts at exploiting us and then ignoring us or handing us worst legislation than the GOP could have ever concocted in order to get us off their backs after an election.  Does DADT and DOMA still ring the warning bell for anyone?

Now it is a “National Civil Union Registry” promise from Obama. And who knows what other apartheid plans he has for us in the future?  How about putting us on our own reservations? That worked for Indians in North America and for Blacks in South Africa, right? 

Perhaps, we should use our own initiative before it is too late. I say that we take a clue from Sarah Palin’s separatist husband. I suggest that all thirty million of us in the GLBT community participate in a mass migration and take over the state of Maryland.  Marylanders has a such good ring to it, don‘t you think? 

...Yep, I see good times ahead.


~ Bud Evans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the Right-wing nuts have pretty much shot their wad over state marriage-inequality amendments &#8212; that is, with most states having already written discrimination (to their everlasting shame) into their own State Constitutions.</p>
<p>So&#8230;what&#8217;s left? Lawrence -v- Texas took reinstating sodomy laws off the table. Maybe a constitutional amendment against “good fashion sense“? </p>
<p>What else can they do to us? Separate lunch counters? Reinstating old “Jim Crow” laws? </p>
<p>&#8230;Oh, I&#8217;m sorry, that’s Obama&#8217;s “final solution” to the same-sex &#8220;marriage” problem. </p>
<p>I’ll also bet you that when President Obama gets around (don’t hold your breath) to allowing gays to serve openly in the military that he‘ll “compromise“ our personal dignity away with instituting separate barracks for gays and lesbians. See, that way everybody’s happy. Right?  </p>
<p>Then on employment non-discrimination, he’ll  “compromise” by allowing businesses with under 2,000 employees to be exempt from the law, as well as anyone with religious objections to the “homosexual lifestyle”.</p>
<p>They actually tried to pull that one over on the GLBT community under Tony Blair in jolly ol’ England. Watch and see how quickly people get “all religious” with that joke of a law. But I see it coming here and, unlike Great Britain where it was eventually rejected, it will probably be celebrated by Obama and the Democrats as a sensible “compromise“.</p>
<p>What a choice. Republicans who are so ruthlessly professional at persecuting us, and Democrats who are seasoned experts at exploiting us and then ignoring us or handing us worst legislation than the GOP could have ever concocted in order to get us off their backs after an election.  Does DADT and DOMA still ring the warning bell for anyone?</p>
<p>Now it is a “National Civil Union Registry” promise from Obama. And who knows what other apartheid plans he has for us in the future?  How about putting us on our own reservations? That worked for Indians in North America and for Blacks in South Africa, right? </p>
<p>Perhaps, we should use our own initiative before it is too late. I say that we take a clue from Sarah Palin’s separatist husband. I suggest that all thirty million of us in the GLBT community participate in a mass migration and take over the state of Maryland.  Marylanders has a such good ring to it, don‘t you think? </p>
<p>&#8230;Yep, I see good times ahead.</p>
<p>~ Bud Evans</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if what the bad people are up to in California is any indicator, they&#039;re not talking about us, they&#039;re just quietly raising and spending money to screw us over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if what the bad people are up to in California is any indicator, they&#8217;re not talking about us, they&#8217;re just quietly raising and spending money to screw us over.</p>
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