Q&A: The gay ‘Outrage’ of Kirby Dick
In the movie business, timing is everything. When filmmaker Kirby Dick decided to make a documentary about closeted gay politicians who vote anti-gay – and name names in the process – it was August 2006. Just a few weeks later, the Mark Foley scandal hit.
Then, a few weeks after Dick starting shooting the film in 2007, Idaho senator Larry Craig got caught tap dancing in a bathroom stall. Dick had to hustle to keep up with it all.“The story was put into fast-forward,” says Dick, whose previous films include This Film is Not Yet Rated and the Oscar-nominated Twist of Faith. “With these scandals, the discussion of the closet sort of was swirling around us as we were making this film.”
The resulting documentary, Outrage, opened in five major cities last weekend and will go wide over the next few months. So far, Dick’s been very heartened by the public reaction. “No one has stood up and said, ‘I’m upset that you’re outing people’ which has surprised me,” remarks Dick. “It seems like people really understand the argument of the film, the importance of reporting on this hypocrisy.”

365gay.com: What inspired you to make Outrage?
KIRBY DICK: I was in Washington, DC promoting my last film, This Film Is Not Rated and I thought, ‘There must be a lot of great stories here.’ I started asking around and very quickly came upon this subject. It’s fascinating, the psychology of these people who, in exchange for having a long political career, would live a double life.
A few days after I saw the film, I saw you interviewed on CNN. The anchor Don Lemon seemed a bit offended that you were naming names, like it was rude or bad form. I thought, ‘Did he see the same movie I saw?’
That’s what people have said when they watched it. I actually want to give him more credit. What I’ve found is it’s not the reporters themselves that don’t want to cover this story. It’s the people up the ladder that have prevented mainstream reporters from covering this. I’m speculating but I think that’s what you were seeing reflected was the pressure he was receiving or he felt he would receive from higher up, rather than his own personal approach.
In your last documentary This Film Is Not Yet Rated, you exposed the double standard in the way the MPAA rating system deals with gay sex scenes versus straight. Now, you’ve made Outrage. Have you always had an awareness and interest in gay issues?
My best friend in high school was gay and we had all these discussions and then he had a group of friends who were also gay. It really kind of normalized the whole thing for me when I was young and I’m very grateful for that.
In making Outrage, were you ever threatened or afraid for your safety?
We took precautions and we operated very much under the radar. I have not received any threats. However, in the process of looking into various politicians around the country, I spoke to a number of sources who seemed quite afraid to talk and in many cases, did not talk at all. I don’t know if that fear was justifiable but I know the fear was real.
A number of people in your film comment on how gay Washington DC is, in terms of the people who work there and the whole vibe of the place. Did you pick up on that?
Not initially but as soon as somebody pointed it out, yes. I think my gaydar was always decent but it has been very refined by working in Washington, DC.
It must be a special kind of nightmare to be gay and work for a boss who legislates against you.
That’s what’s so horrible. Take George W. Bush as an example. He’s a person who’s not homophobic. We’ve talked to gay people who are friends of his and some of his staffers are gay. He’s totally comfortable but the fact that he would promote an amendment to restrict the rights of portion of the citizenry just to further his own reelection is appalling.
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IT WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW SOON OUTRAGE WILL BE HEADING FOR THE DVD FORMAT. THE REASON WHY ANDERSON COOPER ISN’T NAME AMONG THE OUTGAY BECAUSE ANDERSON COOPER WOULD SUE THE DIRECTOR FOR TALKING ABOUT HIS PERSONAL LIFESTYLE.IT IS SAD TO SEE HOW IN THE 21ST CENNTURY THAT THERE IS STILL A BIG PROBLEM ABOUT A PERSON LIFESTYLE. GOOD LUCK TO THE DIRECTOR AND WHEN IT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE DVD SALE. YOUR TRULY CHARLES DAVID HASKELL
The true elephant in the room is that the entire premise of the film is itself a fallacious argument: a politician is only a hypocrite if that politician does not vote in a matter that supports the values of the majority constituency that elected him or her; his or her personal interest became irrelevant upon taking the oath of office.
Umm, John, “effiminate and Horrid. He is downright ugly too.”, I think you should be in the documetary also.
It’s absolutely the hypocrisy and the lying that make the difference.
As someone who was in the closet for a long time, I understand the fear involved. I also understand that most of it is self-imposed and a result of a lack of self-esteem. Especially in politics, it can feel more important to live up to other people’s expectation of you than to live authentically. I also understand the expediency of posing as a homophobe as a facet of that cover.
But when you lay your head down at night, how can you feel like anything but a self-created monster?
It’s that same hypocrisy that is so insinuated into many religions that it is practically part of their dogma. It’s that hypocrisy that drives many gay people, including me, from churches.
I think part of the reason some people may be “outraged” at the film is that our expectations of our politicians are so low that we just expect that all of them are lying and cheating and covering up something. Or, in Eliot Spitzer’s case, not covering up something.
I think it is necessary to draw a line, as Kirby Dick did, between closeted persons who do the right thing, and closeted persons who, from the safety of their closet, reach out to harm the GLBT community. It is the hypocrisy of using their power to deprive all of us of equal rights, not just their sexual orientation, that makes them fair game for a documentary like this.
Can’t wait to see this documentary and can’t wait for more to be exposed. I love the “married” men (to women that is) who “think” they are “hiding” it.
has anyone seen gov. of La. how soft he speaks, effiminate and Horrid. He is downright ugly too.
Do google search or youtube search and see what ya think. The GOP are wanting him and Nazi Palin to be next GOP candidates?
I was fascinated to learn that we’re apparently well represented in D.C., with many lesbian and gay aides, workers, etc. Living in CA I had no idea, but it makes sense with so many Ivy League types not far away, and all those closeted senators and reps too. Oooh la la!
I don’t believe we should guess or speculate about whether or not someone is gay. Many times, we really just don’t know. In those cases, I let that person decide.
However, when we do know and we support or enable someone in staying in the closet (regardless, of whether or not that person is a slimeball hypocrite or not), we are propagating homophobia. We are, at some level, buying into the concept that there must be something wrong with being gay; that it is somehow acceptable to deny it. How many people consider their heterosexuality to be a private matter?
Personally, I have no shame about loving other men and I look forward to the day when no one else does, either.