Gay – and Greek
As the panel of gay fraternity brothers and sorority sisters relate their positive experiences in the Greek system, and as audience members join the conversation, what impresses me most is that the question at hand is not whether to be gay and Greek. Unlike Baker’s experience at MTSU, or mine at William and Mary, it is assumed that there are gay people in Greek organizations. Instead, the conversation centers on how to ensure that gay Greeks get the acceptance and respect that everyone in the room – gay and straight – agrees they deserve.
Wil Bowen and Gary Warren, two Tau Kappa Epsilon brothers attending the conference from Eastern Michigan University in Ypsilanti, Michigan, insist that being gay and Greek just isn’t a big deal.“Most of the strong fraternities on campus have an out member,” Bowen says. “And not just people who come out after they’re members.”
“No one really cares if you’re gay on campus,” Warren ads, wearing a pastel pink T-shirt with stitched-on TKE letters. “They’re busy. They have jobs, they’re going to school. They don’t have time to hate you.”
The increased acceptance of gays and lesbians in Greek life hasn’t just been noticed by academics like Windmeyer, or by members of local fraternity and sorority chapters. In 2007, ABC Family premiered the hour-long comedy series Greek, about a group of college students who are members of the Greek system. One of the show’s characters, a fraternity brother named Calvin, is gay.

The cast of ‘Greek’
Patrick Sean Smith, the show’s Creator and Executive Producer, was motivated to create Calvin by a desire to increase the visibility of gay characters on television. Smith, who is openly gay, believes that, “having that perspective and having that voice in television is important to a group fighting marginalization.”
But the writers of Greek don’t see Calvin’s sexual orientation as his central identifying characteristic. When developing storylines for Calvin, Smith says, “I don’t want to limit him to only gay issues because our point with Calvin is that it’s only part of him.”
This approach reflects conversations Smith and his writing staff have had with students who are currently active in the Greek system.
“What I came to find when we were researching the Millennials is that it’s not an issue,” he says. “It’s just not.”
Greek Staff Writer Matt Whitney is also openly gay and was a member of Pi Kappa Phi fraternity at the University of Colorado at Boulder. Whitney, who graduated from UC Boulder in 1999, was not out in college and remembers a fraternity experience that was less than gay-friendly. “If I had come out in my fraternity who knows what the reaction would have been,” he wonders.
Like Smith, Whitney has spoken with current undergraduates, and he has noticed a difference since he was in college. “It seems, from the people that we’ve talked to who are in fraternities now, that it’s much more accepted to be out and in a fraternity,” he says. “We’ve progressed so much in the last decade.”
This acceptance of gay men and women in the Greek system affects how Greek’s writers approach Calvin.
“We just treat him like every other character,” says Co-Executive Producer Mark Stegemann. When writing story lines for Calvin, Stegemann says, “I never consider it like, ‘How would a gay guy say this?’ It’s just, ‘How would Calvin deal with this?’”
So, academic observations aside, what is it actually like to be gay and Greek these days?
Thor Rudebeck is a senior at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois and a member of Theta Chi fraternity. Rudebeck says that when he accepted his bid, his brothers had no reaction to having a gay member in the fraternity. “It was never an issue,” Rudebeck recalls. “I’ve never had a problem talking about it or being out. I’ve never ever felt like I should hide it from anybody in my fraternity.”
In fact, Rudebeck, who is the only gay man in his chapter, says he’s not even really conscious of the difference in sexual orientation between himself and his brothers: “I don’t think of myself as being a gay person in a fraternity,” he says.
Rudebeck added that he feels totally supported by his Theta Chi brothers. “It’s nice to know that there are people who really, really have my back,” he says.
That’s exactly the kind of experience that author Windmeyer is hoping for. Windmeyer says he hopes his work on college campuses will not only impact the lives of gay and lesbian members of Greek life, but of straight members as well.
“I’m working for a tomorrow where you can…be who you are without fear of being beaten up because there are straight people who learned in college that that was wrong and that they’re not going to tolerate that,” he says. “If we can get tomorrow’s leaders in fraternities and sororities today to…be allies to LGBT people, then we’re changing the hearts and minds of tomorrow.”
At the end of each school year, seniors in my sorority embarked on what we called Senior Clue Week. Graduating seniors followed a trail of clues that lead them around campus to bars, fraternity houses, and dorm rooms where various girly drinks awaited them. My senior year was no different.
One night, in the spring of 1998, my sisters and I set out to follow a series of clues that led us to lemon drops at the Sig Ep house, peppermint patty shots at Sigma Chi, and…yeah, I’m not going to lie. That’s about all I can remember. I think at one point I played a ukulele. The rest of the drinking is a blur.
What is not blurry is the end of the evening. As we stumbled back to the sorority house one of my sisters announced that we should all kiss each other. While it would be a few more years before I fully identified as a lesbian, I knew enough by senior year to be nervous about this proposition. I declined to participate, worried that something about the way I kissed might accidentally convey some kind of sincere interest in kissing women. My friends teased me about my unwillingness to engage, but I feigned prudishness and refused to kiss any of them.
I worried I might kiss a bit too eagerly and reveal myself.
Ten years later, Rudebeck says he would have no qualms about bringing a boyfriend to a Theta Chi formal. And if he doesn’t happen to have a boyfriend? Well, then he feels totally comfortable dancing with a guy at fraternity party. Even a party where guys from other fraternities besides his own are present.
And if anyone has a problem with that? “A couple of [my brothers] have said that if anyone bothers me they’ll kick their ass,” Rudebeck says.
If that’s not brotherhood, I don’t know what is.





Wow!! That is a great review of the current climate of the college frat system.
Kudos to all of you for the good work.
This is certainly not the greek system I remembered @ college.
I was at Florida State when a flaming queen named “Billy Dahling” won homecoming queen. (it was a response to the closed greek system) He was shunned at the parade and received death threats.
I’m pleased that time is coming to an end.
I am glad to see this article, I didn’t come out until well after I graduated and served as pledge educator and president as an undergrad and was professional staff for the international fraternity after I graduated. I don’t think I would have come out during my time at school (early to mid 90’s) but when I did come out I had almost no problems with any members or alumni and actually had more people defend me when I wasn’t around then I thought ever would. Makes me wonder what would have happened if had come out earlier with such great people around me. My fraternity experience was exceptionally positive is is part of the reason why I work at a college now.
I don’t like the picture this article has tagged on it. There’s more to Greek life than alcohol. (And in some fraternities and sororities, alcohol is even actively shunned by the organization.)
I rushed my fraternity at USC in 2005, fearful that my sexual orientation would be a make-or-break on my admission into the frat that I ended up pledging (one of the mid-top tier frats at a very frat-centric school). I was surprised and refreshed to find that the brothers not only knew I was gay before they offered me a bid to pledge, they didn’t care. The frat had NO problem with me bringing fellas back to the house, watching the football games with my boyfriends, and allowing me to take men as my dates to all of the social events. I even had a handful of brothers come out to me – it was quite eye-opening.
Despite the ever-present comments like “that’s so gay” and “faggot,” I really was impressed with how much fraternities have evolved. They’re not perfect, but they’re leagues better than I imagine they were in the 90’s.
I used to date a sorority girl and once her sisters found out I was a sister, of sappho, every single one of them wanted to know what it was like. Trips to her dorm were doomful and trying.
Seems to me if you prefer living with all females or all males, you could be gay.
I’m gay and Greek and it’s fine. A few fraternities (and sororities?) have gay members on campus. It’s not really an issue with anyone in the frat being homophobic or gay-bashing or anything like that, if anything everyone’s really supportive.
Frankly, the only thing that’s a bit hard is that you don’t “fit” into the normal system of meeting women that happens at frat parties–not really that big of a deal because that’s kinda weird anyways. But it is a difference: you have to be a bit more separate from your brothers because you want to be a part of the gay community. That’s it though.
Really, it’s not a big deal.
Proud Alum of Tau Kappa Epsilon here. No, I was not “out” as they say within my fraternity. I was an officer for most of my time as an active member. I was Rush Chairman and Pledge Trainer for much of the time. To be “out” at that time would have been detrimental to membership recruiting. (Rush) The funny thing was that I played with guys in other Fraternities but never my own brothers. It was something that no one ever discussed and everyone would deny in public.
Well, that was many years ago. I’m hopeful that things have changed now.
I came out when i was till in college. i was dating a girl in one of our rival houses. My house was fine with it. hers really wasn’t. I just recently went back to my old campus and had a candle ceremony from my house because i am now engaged. The girls at that house were so supportive and still are to this day. They even love my soon to be wife and shes not even greek. Btw, the school and where i went to is in missouri. there were girls all over from alaska to new york to california. everyone was supportive.
Read the Book:
Brotherhood: Gay Life in College Fraternities, by Shane Windmayer
ISBN-10: 1555838561
ISBN-13: 978-1555838560
You can buy it off Amazon, etc for about $5 in paperback. It is a collection of chapters by different gay people on their experiences. Most btw with happy endings. I think it was written about 5 yrs ago. Yes, one of the writers is an acquaintance.
Just another nail in the coffin of homophobia, and the coffin of the right wing churches who cause this stain upon our national soul.
The only Greeks that care are the dbags and ultra religious bigoted ones. It’s important that Greek gays feel comfortable to come out and be open because guess what- there is no queer identity. The only identity comes from marginalization and once that is gone there won’t be this ridiculous idea that we all have to behave a certain way. Queer people are just the same as straight people. Deal with it.
My story: in the late 80’s early 90’s I went to some “pledge parties” and was told by one “straight” guy that i was too “gay” although most of the “guys” liked me. Long story short, I saw this guy and actually few other guys that shunned me in college, etc, later in gay bars, trashing about in hot pants, etc. sad.
I guess they’re probably still just a bunch of pissy, clicky queens that need to be in a click to feel worthy.
Nonetheless, I had made my happy little way by having my own TRUE dear friends, I can go on knowing I never had to pretend to be something I wasn’t. I didn’t and never would treat another gay, lesbian or anyone for that matter anyway I wouldn’t want to be treated.
I’m proud to say that I’m openly bi-sexual and in a mainstream national Fraternity and that our current PRESIDENT is openly gay. While there are still several highly homophobic fraternities on campus, our presence is a challenge to the others to become true brotherhoods and accept their gay (closeted) members for who they are.
I am a very proud alumnus of TKE in the Midwest.
The 70s were hell if you were gay and also unsure about life in general.
I figured that was just how it would always be and considered myself bi for a while to smooth the transition.
There were many gay guys in all the frats but it didn’t seem to pay to be balls out when in leadership positions too.
Those of us in university leadership positions then seemed to realize that changing the institution (Greek or otherwise) had to come from within. It still amazes me how many men & women of power and influence are in the closet (so we think!) but doing good deeds.
Peace and support to those working “out” there now.
Great story. My Pi Lam brothers all but stopped speaking to me when they heard rumors about me (early 90s). Sad, since we were like true brothers.
I’ve known several gay men in fraternities and apart from the business connections, have not understood the appeal.
It’s good that more people are willing and able to be open. But I’m skeptical about holding up greek life as something LGBTQ students should aspire to.