November 22nd, 2009
 

365 Gay: Living

Gay – and Greek

, special to 365Gay.com

Apparently, I wasn’t the only gay Greek in the ‘90s who felt that lesbians and sororities didn’t mix. In 1996, while I was sneaking in late to my formal meeting, Christin Baker was pledging Zeta Tau Alpha sorority at Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. Initially, sorority life was a natural fit for Baker, who was active in campus activities and had student government aspirations.

“At the time that I rushed I definitely fit in,” Baker says.

When she began coming out her junior year, though, Baker also began pulling away from her sisters. “I pretty much stopped going to a lot of sorority things,” she recalls. “I would say, ‘Oh, I’m busy doing this that and the other.’ But really…I was slowly weaning myself away.”

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Christin Baker

Why was Baker separating herself from her sorority? Because, while she doesn’t remember encountering any “overt anti-lesbian sentiment” in her sorority, Baker understood that the two worlds weren’t meant to intersect.

“You didn’t want anyone in your sorority to be gay,” she remembers. “If you had someone who was out that would be very, very bad. You probably would have kicked them out.” Baker recalls, “There were people who were out on campus, but not in a fraternity or sorority.”

Baker’s experience was less overt than that of Shane Windmeyer. When Windmeyer joined Phi Delta Theta at Emporia State University in Emporia, Kansas in 1992 he was out to himself, but not to his brothers. As an underclassman, he remembers encountering homophobic comments and behavior from his fraternity brothers.

“It was the early nineties and the only thing you heard about gay people tended to be negative….so the environment of the fraternity house very much reflected the more conservative element of our society [with] homophobic jokes and harassment,” Windmeyer says. “One guy,” he remembers, “wore a shirt that said, ‘Silly faggot, dicks are for chicks.’”

Baker and Windmeyer’s experiences are not unique. A study conducted by Douglas Case in 1996 on the experiences of LGBT members of fraternities and sororities found that, “the heterocentric nature of Greek social activities, homophobic attitudes within organizations and the perceived need to hide their sexual orientation detracted from the Greek experience for many LGBT students.”

Despite the homophobic attitudes present in the Phi Delta Theta house, Windmeyer threw himself into his chapter. He held several offices, including Vice President of the fraternity.

“I think in my head I was trying to prove through my leadership in the house that I was still a good brother,” he speculates. “Like, if I help our philanthropy raise more money then somehow maybe me being gay won’t make a difference when I do come out.”

When Windmeyer finally came out his junior year, he says it was a learning experience for many of his brothers. “They never really thought about those words, those jokes affecting someone they cared about,” he says.

That experience lead Windmeyer to dedicate his professional life to studying sexual orientation as it pertains to the fraternity/sorority experience. He has written several books on the experiences of gays and lesbians in Greek organizations and travels to college campuses around the country, speaking to fraternities and sororities about what they can do to be more welcoming to gay and lesbian members.

Windmeyer says that, when it comes to being gay and Greek, “things have changed substantially over the last ten years.” His first speaking engagement was in 1998 at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, Colorado shortly after a fraternity and sorority mounted a scarecrow on their homecoming float with the word “fag” emblazoned on its face. At that same moment, a few miles away, Matthew Shepherd lay dying in a Fort Collins hospital from wounds sustained during a violent hate crime.

Ten years later, Windmeyer says that, “the younger generation today, the 16-28 year-olds, are more progressive….They’re much more open and accepting of gay people.”

In 1995, Windmeyer founded the Lambda 10 Project, a nonprofit clearinghouse dedicated to heightening awareness of issues that pertain to LGBT students in fraternities and sororities. In November 2008 the Lambda 10 Project hosted the Out & Greek Conference at DePaul University in Chicago – the first ever conference dedicated to sharing strategies for creating LGBT-inclusive fraternities and sororities.

While Windmeyer has been speaking and writing about LGBT issues in Greek life for years, he says, “This conference never would have been possible back in the mid nineties. It never would have been possible, I really don’t think, up until about two or three years ago….You just wouldn’t have been able to get people there.”

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The opening session of the Out & Greek Conference, a panel entitled “LGBT Issues in the Greek System,” is attended by over fifty gay fraternity and sorority members from campuses across the country. Not bad, considering the panel is held at 9:30am. Also present are administrators and Greek advisors from a variety of universities. They are there to swap stories and exchange strategies for making Greek organizations on their campuses more accepting.

The session has the feel of a fraternity or sorority meeting. When a panelist makes a particularly good point, the room erupts in snaps of agreement. Several attendees wear Greek letters. Others wear the T-shirt handed out to participants that reads “Out & Greek Conference.” Because, let’s face it, it wouldn’t be a Greek event without a custom T-shirt.

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  • Anthony in Nashville Said: May 18th, 2009 at 8:57 am
    • I’ve known several gay men in fraternities and apart from the business connections, have not understood the appeal.

      It’s good that more people are willing and able to be open. But I’m skeptical about holding up greek life as something LGBTQ students should aspire to.

  • Andy Said: May 18th, 2009 at 8:52 am
    • Great story. My Pi Lam brothers all but stopped speaking to me when they heard rumors about me (early 90s). Sad, since we were like true brothers.

  • Jay Said: May 17th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
    • I am a very proud alumnus of TKE in the Midwest.
      The 70s were hell if you were gay and also unsure about life in general.
      I figured that was just how it would always be and considered myself bi for a while to smooth the transition.
      There were many gay guys in all the frats but it didn’t seem to pay to be balls out when in leadership positions too.
      Those of us in university leadership positions then seemed to realize that changing the institution (Greek or otherwise) had to come from within. It still amazes me how many men & women of power and influence are in the closet (so we think!) but doing good deeds.
      Peace and support to those working “out” there now.

  • Matt Said: May 16th, 2009 at 9:25 am
    • I’m proud to say that I’m openly bi-sexual and in a mainstream national Fraternity and that our current PRESIDENT is openly gay. While there are still several highly homophobic fraternities on campus, our presence is a challenge to the others to become true brotherhoods and accept their gay (closeted) members for who they are.

  • GreekbyBlood Said: May 16th, 2009 at 5:42 am
    • My story: in the late 80’s early 90’s I went to some “pledge parties” and was told by one “straight” guy that i was too “gay” although most of the “guys” liked me. Long story short, I saw this guy and actually few other guys that shunned me in college, etc, later in gay bars, trashing about in hot pants, etc. sad.

      I guess they’re probably still just a bunch of pissy, clicky queens that need to be in a click to feel worthy.

      Nonetheless, I had made my happy little way by having my own TRUE dear friends, I can go on knowing I never had to pretend to be something I wasn’t. I didn’t and never would treat another gay, lesbian or anyone for that matter anyway I wouldn’t want to be treated.

  • DeAnimator Said: May 15th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
    • The only Greeks that care are the dbags and ultra religious bigoted ones. It’s important that Greek gays feel comfortable to come out and be open because guess what- there is no queer identity. The only identity comes from marginalization and once that is gone there won’t be this ridiculous idea that we all have to behave a certain way. Queer people are just the same as straight people. Deal with it.

  • SteveMD2 Said: May 15th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
    • Read the Book:

      Brotherhood: Gay Life in College Fraternities, by Shane Windmayer

      ISBN-10: 1555838561
      ISBN-13: 978-1555838560

      You can buy it off Amazon, etc for about $5 in paperback. It is a collection of chapters by different gay people on their experiences. Most btw with happy endings. I think it was written about 5 yrs ago. Yes, one of the writers is an acquaintance.

      Just another nail in the coffin of homophobia, and the coffin of the right wing churches who cause this stain upon our national soul.

  • Gay A Phi Said: May 15th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
    • I came out when i was till in college. i was dating a girl in one of our rival houses. My house was fine with it. hers really wasn’t. I just recently went back to my old campus and had a candle ceremony from my house because i am now engaged. The girls at that house were so supportive and still are to this day. They even love my soon to be wife and shes not even greek. Btw, the school and where i went to is in missouri. there were girls all over from alaska to new york to california. everyone was supportive.

  • Trace Said: May 15th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
    • Proud Alum of Tau Kappa Epsilon here. No, I was not “out” as they say within my fraternity. I was an officer for most of my time as an active member. I was Rush Chairman and Pledge Trainer for much of the time. To be “out” at that time would have been detrimental to membership recruiting. (Rush) The funny thing was that I played with guys in other Fraternities but never my own brothers. It was something that no one ever discussed and everyone would deny in public.

      Well, that was many years ago. I’m hopeful that things have changed now.

  • Gay Greek Said: May 15th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
    • I’m gay and Greek and it’s fine. A few fraternities (and sororities?) have gay members on campus. It’s not really an issue with anyone in the frat being homophobic or gay-bashing or anything like that, if anything everyone’s really supportive.

      Frankly, the only thing that’s a bit hard is that you don’t “fit” into the normal system of meeting women that happens at frat parties–not really that big of a deal because that’s kinda weird anyways. But it is a difference: you have to be a bit more separate from your brothers because you want to be a part of the gay community. That’s it though.

      Really, it’s not a big deal.

  • The Menstruator Said: May 15th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
    • I used to date a sorority girl and once her sisters found out I was a sister, of sappho, every single one of them wanted to know what it was like. Trips to her dorm were doomful and trying.
      Seems to me if you prefer living with all females or all males, you could be gay.

  • Kevin Said: May 15th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
    • I rushed my fraternity at USC in 2005, fearful that my sexual orientation would be a make-or-break on my admission into the frat that I ended up pledging (one of the mid-top tier frats at a very frat-centric school). I was surprised and refreshed to find that the brothers not only knew I was gay before they offered me a bid to pledge, they didn’t care. The frat had NO problem with me bringing fellas back to the house, watching the football games with my boyfriends, and allowing me to take men as my dates to all of the social events. I even had a handful of brothers come out to me – it was quite eye-opening.

      Despite the ever-present comments like “that’s so gay” and “faggot,” I really was impressed with how much fraternities have evolved. They’re not perfect, but they’re leagues better than I imagine they were in the 90’s.

  • Kari Said: May 15th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
    • I don’t like the picture this article has tagged on it. There’s more to Greek life than alcohol. (And in some fraternities and sororities, alcohol is even actively shunned by the organization.)

  • Mark Said: May 15th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
    • I am glad to see this article, I didn’t come out until well after I graduated and served as pledge educator and president as an undergrad and was professional staff for the international fraternity after I graduated. I don’t think I would have come out during my time at school (early to mid 90’s) but when I did come out I had almost no problems with any members or alumni and actually had more people defend me when I wasn’t around then I thought ever would. Makes me wonder what would have happened if had come out earlier with such great people around me. My fraternity experience was exceptionally positive is is part of the reason why I work at a college now.

  • Jonathan Said: May 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
    • Wow!! That is a great review of the current climate of the college frat system.

      Kudos to all of you for the good work.
      This is certainly not the greek system I remembered @ college.

      I was at Florida State when a flaming queen named “Billy Dahling” won homecoming queen. (it was a response to the closed greek system) He was shunned at the parade and received death threats.

      I’m pleased that time is coming to an end.

 
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