But as someone I know who said – the whole problem is generational, and while we fight to help the situation now, it is going to take time, and the next generation to really change things here “in the land of the free and the home of the bigots”. (Sri, but I couldn’t resist – truth is truth, especially when it points out hate, especially religious hatred.

And look at MA and gay marriage- now, it is more or less a non-issue in the state, except for those – the right wing conservative churches, whose tales of doom are being exposed, and people see that while gay marriages have had about a 1% breakdown rate, for str8 people in their “sanctified, holy marriages”, the number is almost a majority. 50%

And with the internet, and as kids come out, and their stre8 friends accept them as equals, the “halls of hate”, with their holy books and stained glass windows, will more and more be filled only with dust, while more and more people join churches that remember that Jesus said “as you do to the least of your brethren, you do to me.”

From a Christian perspective, all these should not dispense persecution or judgment. But, that they resist and stand against a declining culture at all serves gays, your conscience as a deterrence to vile behavior. That is enough until you are handed over in reprobate to your lusts by your own demand. You have that freedom that we have given you. No authentic Christian will take it away from you. You r real freedom is from persisting in your own initiatives that only appear to be right for you. But as has been said, Deception: “when you think you are right but you are wrong”.

So, you must ridicule and use shame attempting to make it hold over your opponents. It is the only weapon you have. It is a false weapon, only strong if we are ignorant and weak, succumbing to emotion and sympathies. The limbic traps that are your only temporary hiding place.
Civil legislation may bring outward coercive force but cannot convince our hearts to be falsely shameful, as you have chosen for yourselves. It just cannot happen.
There is no logical and objective tool you have to convince others that choices of using orgasms in idolatrous affectionate behavior is ever going to be made right. You have a season where your boldness and arrogance is perceived as empowerment. But it isn’t but a futile and temporary attempt.

One more thing, “phobic” is not an accurate term to be cast upon us each time we speak out against the vile behavior of homosexuality. We do love the person just not their choices for their identities. It was not meant for man to claim an identity with how he uses an sex-organ for pleasure whether for straight sexual perversions or the homosexual. Doesn’t matter.

Saying the word homophobic can apply to some but not all and certainly not to the core curators of Biblical faith, the authentic Christians. It is like calling someone a racist when they have no ill towards a race, but only their behavior. The sum of a group’s behavior is called culture, not race. But if a group can cast their opponents as hating, or phobic for unchangeable attributes alone, then they assume they have gained high moral ground in the debate. This has not happened. It cannot happen. We are not bigots or phobic. We are under the advisories of Biblical mandates. I submit that the One who made us sets the rules, then who are we to challenge that? All previous challenges have proven futile.

However you make a good point when you highlight you’re access. The problem is not that reds don’t have access to our media, it that we aren’t in there’s.

Like Gray Coyote said, we need the people who sound like them, talk like them, who LOOK like them. We’re trying to get into their conservative hearts and minds by having a pride parade in they’re living room (from their POV).

Believe me, they do fear that we are going to try to sleep with their men. My cousin brought a bunch of his friends home during college, and one was so paranoid that even though I barely acknowledged his presence he still thought I was hitting on him. I know that many are thinking, “Well if he’s that stupid then to hell with his hick ass,” but these are the very same people that go out and propose the mini-DOMAs. I’m not say that we have to deny who we are, but when you’re trying to dispel myths about yourself you need to present that you’re basically just like them.

Personally I think the best way to get that point across is to present stories like Staff Sergeant Eric Alva, (the first American wounded in Iraq) Who by his own words (accourding to his wiki) comes from a family of servicemen. A man who is deeply committed to something that conservatives value highly (the military). When we present him as 1) A Marine 2) a war hero 3) a veteran and 4)gay in that order, we get in the house and change minds. If we go 4 first we get a slammed door. But if we present enough stories like Alva’s (not necessarily military related), we can start to change the order to 1,2,4,3 then 1,4,2,3 and finally 4,1,2,3 if we choose.

It’s just gonna take patience.

Sorry for the rant. And thanks to anyone who stuck through it.