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		<title>By: Wayne Besen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Besen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama was mesmerizing. The Democrats accomplished everything I asked for and more. As a result, Obama is much more likely to be president than he was a few days ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama was mesmerizing. The Democrats accomplished everything I asked for and more. As a result, Obama is much more likely to be president than he was a few days ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/082708-besen/comment-page-1/#comment-13618</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the posting has now been removed. Not surprisingly, my e-mail was returned as undeliverable. So many of these nut job groups non-functioning &#039;Contact Us&#039; e-mail addresses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the posting has now been removed. Not surprisingly, my e-mail was returned as undeliverable. So many of these nut job groups non-functioning &#8216;Contact Us&#8217; e-mail addresses!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/082708-besen/comment-page-1/#comment-13616</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wayne - Maybe you can ask one of the people at 365gay.com why they are letting the ADF post on this site? This is an ANTI-GAY organization! Are they trying to intimidate us? I&#039;ve already e-mailed them letting them know that we are on to them and how truly pathetic they are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wayne &#8211; Maybe you can ask one of the people at 365gay.com why they are letting the ADF post on this site? This is an ANTI-GAY organization! Are they trying to intimidate us? I&#8217;ve already e-mailed them letting them know that we are on to them and how truly pathetic they are!</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Besen</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/082708-besen/comment-page-1/#comment-13603</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Besen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - it seems I&#039;ve accomplished quite a bit with this column. If you haven&#039;t noticed, the Democrats have done exactly what I have said they should do. If they don&#039;t follow my advice - and the similar advice of others - they will lose...badly. 

As far as a campaign advisor - I&#039;ve been around politics for 15 years and once served as a communications director in a US Senate primary. Not that that means anything - as the campaign pros - like the ones that advised John Kerry not to respond to the Swift Boat ads - are usually wrong.

There are those of us who know that if the Democrats don&#039;t overcome the wimp factor - they will lose, once again. There are liberals, such as myself who are fed up with losing and don&#039;t believe in unilateral political disarmament and passivism. Politics is a contact sport and we need to rough up the Republicans to win.

If you think reading &quot;The Secret&quot; and thinking positively will win us the election - see Dukakis, Kerry and Mondale.

I think this column was a lucid road map and the Democrats can ignore it at their own peril. 

Finally, it was wonderful to see Hillary do the right thing. If she had not, her political career would be over. Instead, she was terrific and has remained a party hero - thus making her the favorite in a future presidential race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; it seems I&#8217;ve accomplished quite a bit with this column. If you haven&#8217;t noticed, the Democrats have done exactly what I have said they should do. If they don&#8217;t follow my advice &#8211; and the similar advice of others &#8211; they will lose&#8230;badly. </p>
<p>As far as a campaign advisor &#8211; I&#8217;ve been around politics for 15 years and once served as a communications director in a US Senate primary. Not that that means anything &#8211; as the campaign pros &#8211; like the ones that advised John Kerry not to respond to the Swift Boat ads &#8211; are usually wrong.</p>
<p>There are those of us who know that if the Democrats don&#8217;t overcome the wimp factor &#8211; they will lose, once again. There are liberals, such as myself who are fed up with losing and don&#8217;t believe in unilateral political disarmament and passivism. Politics is a contact sport and we need to rough up the Republicans to win.</p>
<p>If you think reading &#8220;The Secret&#8221; and thinking positively will win us the election &#8211; see Dukakis, Kerry and Mondale.</p>
<p>I think this column was a lucid road map and the Democrats can ignore it at their own peril. </p>
<p>Finally, it was wonderful to see Hillary do the right thing. If she had not, her political career would be over. Instead, she was terrific and has remained a party hero &#8211; thus making her the favorite in a future presidential race.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/082708-besen/comment-page-1/#comment-13555</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what Wayne, I&#039;ve always loved your articles and the work you do. I just don&#039;t know how you got so far off the mark with this article. You have achieved nothing but the opposite of what you set out to do. Last...when do you become a campaign advisor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what Wayne, I&#8217;ve always loved your articles and the work you do. I just don&#8217;t know how you got so far off the mark with this article. You have achieved nothing but the opposite of what you set out to do. Last&#8230;when do you become a campaign advisor?</p>
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		<title>By: Indyjeepboy</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/082708-besen/comment-page-1/#comment-13540</link>
		<dc:creator>Indyjeepboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how productive it is to so harshly come down on bruised Hillary supporters. I do believe that only will exacerbate the issue. Before asking Hillary supporters who are still sensitive and not transitioning well, which by the way is a very small number of people, to get a grip, you should be asking the equally small number but very vocal Obama supporters to learn how to diplomatically deal with people who disagree. It is my opinion that this is no longer a Hillary Vs. Obama issue. Its become an Obama supporter vs. Hillary supporter. Because these folks are not bound by the fair play of the campaign offices, they often say very stupid, hurtful and counterproductive things.
Things for you to remember if you want a unified party in November. 
1. Hillary Clinton did not loose. And Hillary Clinton Supporters are not losers. Remember, when the votes are counted, she did get more votes.
2. Stop talking to Hillary supporters like we are somehow mentally deficient, and if we only new the facts about Obama we would have made the &quot;right&quot; choice.
3. Stop acting like Hillary Supporters are irrational and illogical. We have had a 16 year love affair with the Clintons. Her LGBT platform has been well known for vastly longer than Obama&#039;s. Many people had much more time to envision her presidency. Even through much of the primaries she was still the favorite to win. 
4. Clinton Supporters are NOT going to switch sides. Because we vote for Obama does not mean we are no longer Hillary people. Many of us invested countless hours of our lives, not to mention blood sweat and tears, working extremely hard to crack that glass ceiling. Dont expect us to just forget about that. 
5. Start communicating with us in a way that is respectful of not only us and our massive effort, but also the Historic advances she made.
6. 99% of us will vote for Obama. You are right. How anyone can have their hearts on Hillary and then jump to McCain is absurd. Stop stirring the pot and start to mend those bridges.
I live in Indiana and was and still am a devoted Hillary Clinton person. I now sit on Obama&#039;s LGBT out reach committee. I am often approached because of my ties to Hillary and others who worked their tails off for her. Its reading articles like this that make my job vastly more difficult. I submit to you that perhaps its the rogue vigilante Obama supporter who needs to, as you put it, Get a Grip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how productive it is to so harshly come down on bruised Hillary supporters. I do believe that only will exacerbate the issue. Before asking Hillary supporters who are still sensitive and not transitioning well, which by the way is a very small number of people, to get a grip, you should be asking the equally small number but very vocal Obama supporters to learn how to diplomatically deal with people who disagree. It is my opinion that this is no longer a Hillary Vs. Obama issue. Its become an Obama supporter vs. Hillary supporter. Because these folks are not bound by the fair play of the campaign offices, they often say very stupid, hurtful and counterproductive things.<br />
Things for you to remember if you want a unified party in November.<br />
1. Hillary Clinton did not loose. And Hillary Clinton Supporters are not losers. Remember, when the votes are counted, she did get more votes.<br />
2. Stop talking to Hillary supporters like we are somehow mentally deficient, and if we only new the facts about Obama we would have made the &#8220;right&#8221; choice.<br />
3. Stop acting like Hillary Supporters are irrational and illogical. We have had a 16 year love affair with the Clintons. Her LGBT platform has been well known for vastly longer than Obama&#8217;s. Many people had much more time to envision her presidency. Even through much of the primaries she was still the favorite to win.<br />
4. Clinton Supporters are NOT going to switch sides. Because we vote for Obama does not mean we are no longer Hillary people. Many of us invested countless hours of our lives, not to mention blood sweat and tears, working extremely hard to crack that glass ceiling. Dont expect us to just forget about that.<br />
5. Start communicating with us in a way that is respectful of not only us and our massive effort, but also the Historic advances she made.<br />
6. 99% of us will vote for Obama. You are right. How anyone can have their hearts on Hillary and then jump to McCain is absurd. Stop stirring the pot and start to mend those bridges.<br />
I live in Indiana and was and still am a devoted Hillary Clinton person. I now sit on Obama&#8217;s LGBT out reach committee. I am often approached because of my ties to Hillary and others who worked their tails off for her. Its reading articles like this that make my job vastly more difficult. I submit to you that perhaps its the rogue vigilante Obama supporter who needs to, as you put it, Get a Grip.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian B.</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/082708-besen/comment-page-1/#comment-13512</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think at this point Obama is only going to earn the votes of the educated, leaving him with so few votes it really will not matter. Despite my urging all of my straight friends to vote for Obama for even just my sake, they all said they favored McCain as a person over Obama and they have already cast Republican votes. I feel like I lost every single one of them. 

The thing that upsets me most, is they all seem to be blissfully unaware of how politics affect their lives, because politics don&#039;t. When they think of gay people they only think of media stereotypes and people who hit on them in high school, essentially creeping them out. Even though they know I&#039;m gay they almost always seem to forget that fact. They&#039;ll use the F-word frequently around me and think it&#039;s ok as long as they&#039;re not referring to me, and they seem to generally posses a strong disposition against any minority group. Did I mention they&#039;re all Atheists, though and irrational religious beliefs are in no way motivating this behavior? These guys are a representation of the future white, male American voters. They come from every state in the union. My only friends who even mildly care about politics are GLBT themselves. 

That being said. I doubt we&#039;ve really made any progress. We may think we have. But No. I think much of GLBT rights-fighting policy in recent years has been sending us back to the stone ages due to our continuing to pander to our own base and not get enough of the word out to straight people. No self-respecting heterosexual in our society would be caught dead reading a site with any news focused on the GLBT community, and that&#039;s a cultural issue we should try and fight to see change. As a psychologist, myself, I always try to do my part to express the empirically defined truths of the world to those around me, but my views, coming from an out gay man, are always weighed against years of reinforced stigma, and dozens of high school teachers, college professors, and even certified mental health counselors who got to my friends and those around me first. What did they all have to say? Nothing good for my or your sake, that&#039;s for sure, and certainly nothing that would qualify as ethical. 

If we want Obama to honestly win I think he should act like a real politician and start lying his rear off about false promises he can&#039;t possibly keep, including promises to continue reinforcing stereotypes and limiting the rights of minorities. He doesn&#039;t have to mean what he says, but if he can find some group of people that American voters hate (that isn&#039;t hard to do) he can use that scapegoat as a platform for populatity among the uneducated (and thus 90% of the United States voters) We all know that&#039;s how Clinton, Bush, and every president all the way back to Truman won an election. It&#039;s time to talk about this like adults and recognize that political correctness has no place in earning popularity points when most of the public responds to fear-mongering and hateful diatribes. Why else would churches be so popular? Why else would even my non-Christian friends favor the views of their hate-mongering, right-wing, conservative teachers/therapists over my own? Because people LOVE to hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think at this point Obama is only going to earn the votes of the educated, leaving him with so few votes it really will not matter. Despite my urging all of my straight friends to vote for Obama for even just my sake, they all said they favored McCain as a person over Obama and they have already cast Republican votes. I feel like I lost every single one of them. </p>
<p>The thing that upsets me most, is they all seem to be blissfully unaware of how politics affect their lives, because politics don&#8217;t. When they think of gay people they only think of media stereotypes and people who hit on them in high school, essentially creeping them out. Even though they know I&#8217;m gay they almost always seem to forget that fact. They&#8217;ll use the F-word frequently around me and think it&#8217;s ok as long as they&#8217;re not referring to me, and they seem to generally posses a strong disposition against any minority group. Did I mention they&#8217;re all Atheists, though and irrational religious beliefs are in no way motivating this behavior? These guys are a representation of the future white, male American voters. They come from every state in the union. My only friends who even mildly care about politics are GLBT themselves. </p>
<p>That being said. I doubt we&#8217;ve really made any progress. We may think we have. But No. I think much of GLBT rights-fighting policy in recent years has been sending us back to the stone ages due to our continuing to pander to our own base and not get enough of the word out to straight people. No self-respecting heterosexual in our society would be caught dead reading a site with any news focused on the GLBT community, and that&#8217;s a cultural issue we should try and fight to see change. As a psychologist, myself, I always try to do my part to express the empirically defined truths of the world to those around me, but my views, coming from an out gay man, are always weighed against years of reinforced stigma, and dozens of high school teachers, college professors, and even certified mental health counselors who got to my friends and those around me first. What did they all have to say? Nothing good for my or your sake, that&#8217;s for sure, and certainly nothing that would qualify as ethical. </p>
<p>If we want Obama to honestly win I think he should act like a real politician and start lying his rear off about false promises he can&#8217;t possibly keep, including promises to continue reinforcing stereotypes and limiting the rights of minorities. He doesn&#8217;t have to mean what he says, but if he can find some group of people that American voters hate (that isn&#8217;t hard to do) he can use that scapegoat as a platform for populatity among the uneducated (and thus 90% of the United States voters) We all know that&#8217;s how Clinton, Bush, and every president all the way back to Truman won an election. It&#8217;s time to talk about this like adults and recognize that political correctness has no place in earning popularity points when most of the public responds to fear-mongering and hateful diatribes. Why else would churches be so popular? Why else would even my non-Christian friends favor the views of their hate-mongering, right-wing, conservative teachers/therapists over my own? Because people LOVE to hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristin</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/082708-besen/comment-page-1/#comment-13418</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Wayne, it&#039;s people like you who keep attacking Hillary supporters with your childish insults that will cause Obama to loose. How about reaching out to them instead of being a prick. Do you really think insulting people and their views is the best way to get them vote for Obama? Really? With supporters like you doing McCain&#039;s work by driving people away from him, McCain is sure to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Wayne, it&#8217;s people like you who keep attacking Hillary supporters with your childish insults that will cause Obama to loose. How about reaching out to them instead of being a prick. Do you really think insulting people and their views is the best way to get them vote for Obama? Really? With supporters like you doing McCain&#8217;s work by driving people away from him, McCain is sure to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Trace</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/living/082708-besen/comment-page-1/#comment-13413</link>
		<dc:creator>Trace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And By Acclamation....

The Democrats have lost another election.

Two days in a row, Hillary is not only the talk of the convention but absolutely stunning in the way that she has carried herself.

Let us all look forward to 2012 and for a bright future for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And By Acclamation&#8230;.</p>
<p>The Democrats have lost another election.</p>
<p>Two days in a row, Hillary is not only the talk of the convention but absolutely stunning in the way that she has carried herself.</p>
<p>Let us all look forward to 2012 and for a bright future for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really David? - and exactly how do you know she was in this &quot;for her own glory&quot;? Do you know Hillary Clinton personally? I doubt it. And please spare me the rhetoric about how she dealt with things in the final weeks - Obama would have done the same EXACT thing had the shoe been on the other foot. The FACT is that she HAS devoted most of her life to good causes, the FACT is that her speech last night in support of OBAMA was BRILLIANT and the FACT will remain that she will continue to be a vital presence in the Democratic party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really David? &#8211; and exactly how do you know she was in this &#8220;for her own glory&#8221;? Do you know Hillary Clinton personally? I doubt it. And please spare me the rhetoric about how she dealt with things in the final weeks &#8211; Obama would have done the same EXACT thing had the shoe been on the other foot. The FACT is that she HAS devoted most of her life to good causes, the FACT is that her speech last night in support of OBAMA was BRILLIANT and the FACT will remain that she will continue to be a vital presence in the Democratic party.</p>
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