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Vanasco: More on NY and gay marriage

By Jennifer Vanasco, editor in chief, 365gay.com 06.09.2009 2:50pm EDT
News & Politics

As James Withers reported earlier today, activists are hopeful that the Republican takeover of the State Senate will actually lead to a gay marriage vote on the floor in the next two weeks.

This morning, Pedro Espada Jr., the new State Senate president and a Democratic defector to the Republian caucus told a local radio station:

“I am for same-sex marriage. There will be no guarantees and no quid pro quos, I think there will be a vote of conscience of the senators. And with my partner in government, Senator Skelos, we have not discussed bringing it out to the floor. I’m expressing my own personal desire to see a full debate and decision on this matter.”

To the NY Daily News, he said:

“I’m going to be pushing very very hard for issues like same-sex marriage to not be pre-determined in a smoke-filled room, but to let it air out in full debate on the Senate floor as soon as possible. You know, people haven’t been asking for guaranteed results. They’re been asking for an honest full debate on the floor so we can vote it up or down.”

“We have about eight or ten undecided senators on this issue. That’s what we do here we debate and try to convince people with opposing points of view to reach common ground.”

The Senate majority leader, Republican Dean G. Skelos, said he and Espada would discuss equal marriage later today.

Stay tuned.


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  • Romeyn Said: June 9th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
    • In other words, the bill will at best be tabled until next year will it will likely expire.

  • Hank Said: June 9th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
    • Sen. Dean Skelos is against marriage equality.

  • Steve, Albany, NY Said: June 9th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
    • Thanks, Guest!

  • Steve, Albany, NY Said: June 9th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
    • Again, Kari is right to be cautious. But I’d prefer to say what I said above. We were stuck at an impasse, with Smith honoring his secret deal with Diaz to kill the marriage bill. When at an impasse, scrambling the board is, if not a good thing, at least the best hope for progress.

  • Kari Said: June 9th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
    • Chris: It’s not ‘good’ on its own, but it could end up being a good thing.

      It would be good if it brings the subject to the Senate floor instead of something that’s considerably more behind closed doors.

      We shall see in the coming days whether or not that happens.

  • Guest Said: June 9th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
    • Steve: I don’t have the actual quote but http://joemygod.blogspot.com reported that Skelos was interviewed on today’s noon news on ABC7 and that he had made that specific promise.

  • MFairness Said: June 9th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    • At this point, I don’t think anyone knows whether this strange power play is good or bad for marriage fairness. Rather than thinking about that, lobby your Senators if you care about achieving equality in this legislative session. An easy way to do so is to visit MarriageNY.com that features easy methods of contacting your Senators

  • Steve, Albany, NY Said: June 9th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
    • Guest, please give us a link to your source for Skelos. I haven’t seen any statement from him.

  • Steve, Albany, NY Said: June 9th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
    • CORRECTION: I meant to say “prochoicers” instead of “women” as arms of the Democratic party. Obviously many women are swing voters.

  • Guest Said: June 9th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
    • Chris: According to media reports, both the new state senate president Pedro Espada and the new majority leader Dean Skelos have today went on record to say that they will bring the marriage equality bill up for a discussion and up or down vote. This is something the former majority leader Smith refused to do.

  • Steve, Albany, NY Said: June 9th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
    • Chris, this is good because Smith, the ousted Democratic leader, was never going to allow a vote on the marriage bill. He couldn’t. If he had allowed a vote, Diaz would have bolted to the Republicans and flipped the state Senate to the GOP. We were at an impasse. And when you’re at an impasse, disrupting the status quo is a good thing. The new leader is not beholden to Diaz, perahps the most antigay member of the Senate despite his nominal affiliation with Democrats.

      It is clear to me that Smith and Diaz had a secret deal, as Guest says. It is the only theory that makes sense. Back in December, Smith openly said that marriage would have to wait because of Diaz’s objections. Then, Smith quickly backpeddaled and declared that he’d never sell out gay people for his leadership position. But that’s exactly what he then did in secret. Since December, the evidence of the secret deal has mounted. First, there were leaks about Smith referring the bill to a committee with a hostile chairman, who would let it die and refuse to send it to the floor. Then, Smith himself said–bizarrely–that it would be “inappropriate” to pass the bill with Republican support–condemning it to die since every Dem would have to support it and Diaz would never do so. Then, Smith shifted again to the excuse that he’d never bring the bill to the floor until it was assured of passage, something that was practically impossible because a number of Senators have declined to take a position until the bill goes to the floor. Smith has had one pretext after another. What they all scream is that he was always going to find some excuse for not letting the bill go to a vote because he’d made a secret deal with Diaz. Simultaneously, the smarmy Smith showed up a gay events and proclaimed that he *personally* supported the bill. He’s disgusting.

      Espada just may be able to get the bill to the floor. Although he bolted from the Democrats, he’s a cosponsor of the marriage bill. And part of his switch was an agreement to make him Senate President. He’s not just one cross-over among 30 Republicans; he’s in the top leadership position, and they owe him their restored majority status.

      You folks have to stop thinking about New York Republicans with George W. Bush in mind. New York Republicans are nowhere near as vehemently homophobic as national Republicans. They have, in the past, reached out to the gay community and cut deals with us to strategically wedge us away from the Democratic party on occasion.

      This is how a small minority must behave in the political process. We must have no permanent friends, and no permanent enemies. When Republicans are willing to reach out to us–which hopefully we become more frequent in the future–we should use their reaching out as leverage to force the Democrats to stop taking us for granted and doing nothing about our issues!

      Folks, although I’m a lifelong Democrat, we have to break of this knee-jerk mentality that Democrats are always good for gays and Republicans are always bad. If you want to be just an arm of the Democratic party, like African Americans and women, the Democratic party will take you for granted and de-prioritize your needs. They’ll sneer at you: Where else do you have to go? Our power increases dramatically when, at particular times and in particular places we can respond, “We can vote for the Republican instead of you.”

  • Chris Sullivan Said: June 9th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
    • Guest – How exactly is this a good thing for marriage equality in New York?

  • Guest Said: June 9th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
    • This coup is actually a good thing for marriage equality in New York.

      Here’s what democratic senator Ruben Diaz who opposes the marriage equality bill said about his rumored change to GOP: “Today? No. Tomorrow? Who knows? Tomorrow is another day. It’s always another day. You ask me do I plan to do that. I say, no. In the future, who knows what the future brings. The only thing I can tell you, and you can interpret this any which way you want: When I give my word, I keep my word. In order for me to break my word, you have to break yours first.”

      I think that the only way to read the comments of senator Diaz is that there actually was a secret deal between him and former majority leader Smith and that Smith had given his word not to bring the marriage equality bill for a vote. This would explain his steadfast refusal to allow the vote.

  • Johannes Said: June 9th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    • “The Senate majority leader, Republican Dean G. Skelos, said he and Espada would discuss equal marriage later today. Stay tuned.”

      Ooh! Exciting.

  • Alex Said: June 9th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
    • Hoping for good news for New York!

 
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