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	<title>Comments on: Vanasco: Gay &#8220;conversion&#8221; scientists made it up</title>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/vanasco-gay-conversion-scientists-made-it-up/comment-page-2/#comment-56401</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 02:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Divorce is sin, 
where are laws against that. 
You can&#039;t make a fish fly like a bird and you can&#039;t make a bird swim like a fish. 
If you are gay, that&#039;s cool. 
If you are not gay, that&#039;s cool. 
What happened to equality? 
Glad the thing was made up, if I read that right, I may not have. Oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Divorce is sin,<br />
where are laws against that.<br />
You can&#8217;t make a fish fly like a bird and you can&#8217;t make a bird swim like a fish.<br />
If you are gay, that&#8217;s cool.<br />
If you are not gay, that&#8217;s cool.<br />
What happened to equality?<br />
Glad the thing was made up, if I read that right, I may not have. Oops.</p>
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		<title>By: Noyz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noyz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the obvious has finally been confirmed. Good.

Now&#039;s the time that they should be forced to answer for all the blood on their hands as a result of these harmful lies. I would love to send them a picture of all the (known) graves of suicides that have resulted from their lies over the decades. 

Putting people in a position to believe that they can change something as core as their sexuality - and then not being able to do it - would be a pretty big blow to anyone. The fact that they knew they couldn&#039;t and that it leads to such emotional turmoil should be considered criminal. They saw this, and LET IT CONTINUE!!!! Its like a religiously sanctioned Dr. Kevorkian mixed with old testament ideology.
But hey, what does the religious community care? As far as they&#039;re concerned, it drove a bunch of gays to suicide, and is OK according to their beliefs. This was just a way for them to kill without getting their hands dirty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the obvious has finally been confirmed. Good.</p>
<p>Now&#8217;s the time that they should be forced to answer for all the blood on their hands as a result of these harmful lies. I would love to send them a picture of all the (known) graves of suicides that have resulted from their lies over the decades. </p>
<p>Putting people in a position to believe that they can change something as core as their sexuality &#8211; and then not being able to do it &#8211; would be a pretty big blow to anyone. The fact that they knew they couldn&#8217;t and that it leads to such emotional turmoil should be considered criminal. They saw this, and LET IT CONTINUE!!!! Its like a religiously sanctioned Dr. Kevorkian mixed with old testament ideology.<br />
But hey, what does the religious community care? As far as they&#8217;re concerned, it drove a bunch of gays to suicide, and is OK according to their beliefs. This was just a way for them to kill without getting their hands dirty.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Gay therapist and can tell you from all of my studies (in and out of school) on this subject that it is not really possible to &quot;convert&quot; any human emotion out of existence.  You can deny feelings for the same sex but that only creates a pressure cooker of emotions that can blow up in your face or someone else&#039;s.  A person&#039;s sexuality is written into their biology not the whim of personal choice.  With this in mind, I like to quote Saint Thomas Aquinas:  When you make a mistake about Creation you make a mistake about God.  For any reputable therapist to say that they can convert anyone into being a heterosexual is getting it all wrong.  So-called conversion therapy is denounced by every major counseling organization, as being potentially very harmful and ineffective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Gay therapist and can tell you from all of my studies (in and out of school) on this subject that it is not really possible to &#8220;convert&#8221; any human emotion out of existence.  You can deny feelings for the same sex but that only creates a pressure cooker of emotions that can blow up in your face or someone else&#8217;s.  A person&#8217;s sexuality is written into their biology not the whim of personal choice.  With this in mind, I like to quote Saint Thomas Aquinas:  When you make a mistake about Creation you make a mistake about God.  For any reputable therapist to say that they can convert anyone into being a heterosexual is getting it all wrong.  So-called conversion therapy is denounced by every major counseling organization, as being potentially very harmful and ineffective.</p>
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		<title>By: Disgusted American</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disgusted American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing how people are so focused on what people do sexually - who cares if someone wants cock over pussy/or vise vers? Religion is such BS,a form of &quot;mind&quot; control for the weak,who can&#039;t think for themselves....Im fed up with it all....just be a decent human on the planet earth for pete&#039;s sake..treat others as you yourself wish to be treated - how hard is that? (NO Buy-Bull needed)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing how people are so focused on what people do sexually &#8211; who cares if someone wants cock over pussy/or vise vers? Religion is such BS,a form of &#8220;mind&#8221; control for the weak,who can&#8217;t think for themselves&#8230;.Im fed up with it all&#8230;.just be a decent human on the planet earth for pete&#8217;s sake..treat others as you yourself wish to be treated &#8211; how hard is that? (NO Buy-Bull needed)</p>
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		<title>By: drewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a scientist refuses to provide documentation of his/her work, that&#039;s a pretty good indicator that it&#039;s BS.  What scientific journal is going to publish results of a study without documentation?  It&#039;s basic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a scientist refuses to provide documentation of his/her work, that&#8217;s a pretty good indicator that it&#8217;s BS.  What scientific journal is going to publish results of a study without documentation?  It&#8217;s basic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; RELIGION, is the root of ALL evil &quot;!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; RELIGION, is the root of ALL evil &#8220;!!</p>
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		<title>By: JERRY</title>
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		<dc:creator>JERRY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO SURPRISE THAT THEY MADE IT UP;KINDA REMINDS ME OF THE BIBLE</description>
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		<title>By: David W</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there needs to be research on this, but the truth is does anyone really want to find the real answer?

What if it turns out that it has nothing to do with DNA, but like the fish in the Mississippi river being converted sexually by hormones in the water, then What? We already know that Alcohol crosses the placenta. Nicotine also crosses the placenta and we have baby pictures of a child in utero screaming from mom’s cigarette nicotine exposure- something you never hear about from the right-to-life-people. Both of these two chemicals majorly affect the way the brain is wired in a child.

Then there is a down winder case in Washington State, where the US Government exposed the civilian population to secret nuclear releases, which resulted in some of the civilian population losing their thyroid. In this case, I am aware of the mother had to stop using her thyroid medication because her child in utero took over what would be her normal thyroid operation. It also caused the subject to grow 3 inches, which is part of normal hormonal influences. Again in a round about way showing that hormones can affect both parties of pregnancy. 

We know the California migrant workers have problems with second generational infertility, do to the pesticides messing with where the male urethra ends up on the male penis (not at the end were it belongs). It was reported back in the late 90’s in the AP wire that the cause was do to the pesticide acting as a hormone in both the human and insect sexual devolvement. It was reported in the AP article that there was concern about this pesticide by the California government, but for some reason it was covered up. Because the AP wire does not keep a researchable history of its archives it has been next to impossible to track down the history of this California study. 

But it seems that no one wants to really find out what the hormones ingredients do to help wired a child brain in utero. That would mean the religious right would have to give up their fifth grade understanding of human sexuality based on a bunch of sheepherders from the Bible, and admit that science has more answers then the “just because the Bible says so” theology does.

But on the other hand, from the scientific community, it seems that they want to only study the DNA Human Genome cook book because DNA that’s safe and makes them money.  What happens if it has nothing to do with DNA, but has to do with something that can’t be controlled like exposure to hormones? It’s already happen with little Bobbies’ pee pee because mommy worked out in the strawberry field and got exposed to a certain pesticide. And lets not forget that you don’t have to have mom walking in a chemical fog to have the baby exposed to hormones. Mother tends to be a walking hormone factory herself. What happens if mom hormones overrides baby’s DNA (so much for the gay gene)? And like any good theory it has to work for the boys and the girls, not just one or the other. Problem with this theory: It works, if you understand how stress can effect the mother’s hormone production both for estrogen and testosterone. But then we don’t want to know this. It’s easier to judge the transsexual or the homosexual then accept them the way they are. 
What scary? We have already changed sex of rats in utreo using hormones, but we in the US dare not speak of it, or fund it. But we in the USA can judge it. We leave real human sexuality science up to the British. And God forbid we think of possibility of doing it to a human being. We can’t get over the idea of Stem Cell research. So again I ask you do we really want to be honest about this? We can’t even talk about sex to our parents or to our kids, so what makes this any different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there needs to be research on this, but the truth is does anyone really want to find the real answer?</p>
<p>What if it turns out that it has nothing to do with DNA, but like the fish in the Mississippi river being converted sexually by hormones in the water, then What? We already know that Alcohol crosses the placenta. Nicotine also crosses the placenta and we have baby pictures of a child in utero screaming from mom’s cigarette nicotine exposure- something you never hear about from the right-to-life-people. Both of these two chemicals majorly affect the way the brain is wired in a child.</p>
<p>Then there is a down winder case in Washington State, where the US Government exposed the civilian population to secret nuclear releases, which resulted in some of the civilian population losing their thyroid. In this case, I am aware of the mother had to stop using her thyroid medication because her child in utero took over what would be her normal thyroid operation. It also caused the subject to grow 3 inches, which is part of normal hormonal influences. Again in a round about way showing that hormones can affect both parties of pregnancy. </p>
<p>We know the California migrant workers have problems with second generational infertility, do to the pesticides messing with where the male urethra ends up on the male penis (not at the end were it belongs). It was reported back in the late 90’s in the AP wire that the cause was do to the pesticide acting as a hormone in both the human and insect sexual devolvement. It was reported in the AP article that there was concern about this pesticide by the California government, but for some reason it was covered up. Because the AP wire does not keep a researchable history of its archives it has been next to impossible to track down the history of this California study. </p>
<p>But it seems that no one wants to really find out what the hormones ingredients do to help wired a child brain in utero. That would mean the religious right would have to give up their fifth grade understanding of human sexuality based on a bunch of sheepherders from the Bible, and admit that science has more answers then the “just because the Bible says so” theology does.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, from the scientific community, it seems that they want to only study the DNA Human Genome cook book because DNA that’s safe and makes them money.  What happens if it has nothing to do with DNA, but has to do with something that can’t be controlled like exposure to hormones? It’s already happen with little Bobbies’ pee pee because mommy worked out in the strawberry field and got exposed to a certain pesticide. And lets not forget that you don’t have to have mom walking in a chemical fog to have the baby exposed to hormones. Mother tends to be a walking hormone factory herself. What happens if mom hormones overrides baby’s DNA (so much for the gay gene)? And like any good theory it has to work for the boys and the girls, not just one or the other. Problem with this theory: It works, if you understand how stress can effect the mother’s hormone production both for estrogen and testosterone. But then we don’t want to know this. It’s easier to judge the transsexual or the homosexual then accept them the way they are.<br />
What scary? We have already changed sex of rats in utreo using hormones, but we in the US dare not speak of it, or fund it. But we in the USA can judge it. We leave real human sexuality science up to the British. And God forbid we think of possibility of doing it to a human being. We can’t get over the idea of Stem Cell research. So again I ask you do we really want to be honest about this? We can’t even talk about sex to our parents or to our kids, so what makes this any different?</p>
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		<title>By: Makiki Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Makiki Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 25 or 30 years ago, I was a young, naive and closeted gay guy who wondered if there really was a way out from being gay.  I remember going to a local library but, back then, there were very FEW books about homosexuality. (Fortunately, that has changed drastically now). One of the books that DID mention it was Masters and Johnson&#039;s book &quot;Human Sexual Inadequacy&quot;.  It had a chapter about homosexuality which I read carefully, hoping that they somehow had the formula to cure me. In that book, they gave several examples of patients they had allegedly treated and who &quot;recovered&quot; from their homosexual inclinations. It all seemed just too simple.  I mean, a gay guy would go to see them and would have to bring a female along with him for the visit.  The guy was told to fondle the woman and kiss her.  After one or two visits, Masters and Johnson reported that the gay man(allegedly) overcame his homosexual feelings.

I now realize that their stories were a total bunch of baloney. The book had been written years earlier, possibly in the late 1940&#039;s or 1950&#039;s.  It was the prevailing opinion, back then, that the only way a homosexual could ever be happy was by becoming heterosexual.  I believe Masters and Johnson engaged in OUTRAGEOUS wishful thinking. And worse. They engaged in deception. 

How could they possibly report a person having ben &quot;cured&quot; of homosexuality after only one, two or three office visits.

There was no long term follow up.

They gave false hope to gays of that earlier, less enlightened generation.

The vast majority of psychiatrists know that Masters and Johnson were just plain wrong about homosexuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 25 or 30 years ago, I was a young, naive and closeted gay guy who wondered if there really was a way out from being gay.  I remember going to a local library but, back then, there were very FEW books about homosexuality. (Fortunately, that has changed drastically now). One of the books that DID mention it was Masters and Johnson&#8217;s book &#8220;Human Sexual Inadequacy&#8221;.  It had a chapter about homosexuality which I read carefully, hoping that they somehow had the formula to cure me. In that book, they gave several examples of patients they had allegedly treated and who &#8220;recovered&#8221; from their homosexual inclinations. It all seemed just too simple.  I mean, a gay guy would go to see them and would have to bring a female along with him for the visit.  The guy was told to fondle the woman and kiss her.  After one or two visits, Masters and Johnson reported that the gay man(allegedly) overcame his homosexual feelings.</p>
<p>I now realize that their stories were a total bunch of baloney. The book had been written years earlier, possibly in the late 1940&#8217;s or 1950&#8217;s.  It was the prevailing opinion, back then, that the only way a homosexual could ever be happy was by becoming heterosexual.  I believe Masters and Johnson engaged in OUTRAGEOUS wishful thinking. And worse. They engaged in deception. </p>
<p>How could they possibly report a person having ben &#8220;cured&#8221; of homosexuality after only one, two or three office visits.</p>
<p>There was no long term follow up.</p>
<p>They gave false hope to gays of that earlier, less enlightened generation.</p>
<p>The vast majority of psychiatrists know that Masters and Johnson were just plain wrong about homosexuality.</p>
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		<title>By: RJLigier</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJLigier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this sounds remarkably similar to the Kinsey Institute&#039;s findings of &quot;born that way&quot;. The etiological basis for homosexuality is purely conjecture based on the American Psychological Associations&#039; point of view until LGBT legal and medical professionals are willing to submit to MRI polygraphs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this sounds remarkably similar to the Kinsey Institute&#8217;s findings of &#8220;born that way&#8221;. The etiological basis for homosexuality is purely conjecture based on the American Psychological Associations&#8217; point of view until LGBT legal and medical professionals are willing to submit to MRI polygraphs.</p>
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