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	<title>Comments on: Ruby-Sachs: XBox Lets Harassment of Gay Players Go Unchecked</title>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a shame that this is happening, I am a big gamer on XBOX Live, and I identify myself as gay on my bio, I dont think this is anything bad, we gay gamers are a niche in themselves so meeting other gay gamers is a great thing, Microsoft should be supporting us we aren&#039;t hurting anyone, they are and therefor must be stopped</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a shame that this is happening, I am a big gamer on XBOX Live, and I identify myself as gay on my bio, I dont think this is anything bad, we gay gamers are a niche in themselves so meeting other gay gamers is a great thing, Microsoft should be supporting us we aren&#8217;t hurting anyone, they are and therefor must be stopped</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/ruby-sachs-xbox-lets-harassment-of-gay-players-go-unchecked/comment-page-3/#comment-46233</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft has in the past years changed its profile from being a fair and inclusive company to a company today where many gays and lesbians feel uncomfortable working for because of issues like this and because of a growing unfair and discriminatory treatment of the LGBT employees...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft has in the past years changed its profile from being a fair and inclusive company to a company today where many gays and lesbians feel uncomfortable working for because of issues like this and because of a growing unfair and discriminatory treatment of the LGBT employees&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kraig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HRC has no credibility with me whatsoever anymore.  I give my money to the NGLTF.  They&#039;ve maintained their ideals better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HRC has no credibility with me whatsoever anymore.  I give my money to the NGLTF.  They&#8217;ve maintained their ideals better.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has been playing video games since 1984, I have to agree that the homophobic jerkwads are indeed the same minority of 10-29 year old males who would be homophobic jerkwads with our without the videogame.  Playing online and on person, whenever I&#039;ve discussed my sexuality during a tangential conversation, I usually get a few insults before somebody else tells the homophobes to go to hell and they get kicked from the game.  

One of my fondest memories of video gaming is playing a game of Team Fortress 2 and discovering that by chance, over half the server was full of other gay players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has been playing video games since 1984, I have to agree that the homophobic jerkwads are indeed the same minority of 10-29 year old males who would be homophobic jerkwads with our without the videogame.  Playing online and on person, whenever I&#8217;ve discussed my sexuality during a tangential conversation, I usually get a few insults before somebody else tells the homophobes to go to hell and they get kicked from the game.  </p>
<p>One of my fondest memories of video gaming is playing a game of Team Fortress 2 and discovering that by chance, over half the server was full of other gay players.</p>
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		<title>By: Kari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a lesbian gamer, I&#039;m pretty offended by this article and Ms. Ruby-Sachs constant generalizations about gamers and the video game community. It shows utter ignorance of the gaming community and the reality that the vast majority of players are our allies, not our enemies.

To be sure, there are some homophobic people who play video games. But they&#039;re a tiny, tiny fraction of the overall group of serious gamers.


chuck: &quot;Nigger&quot; and &quot;faggot&quot;, for whatever reason, have become essentially inside-jokes among serious gamers and anime, due to anonymous discussion boards like the *chans and Something Awful.

Is it offensive? Yes. But this particular group of netizens doesn&#039;t really care who gets offended as long as it&#039;s funny to them and relatively harmless to the affected parties.

Actually, there was a major professional racist who did start trolling one of them (I think it was 4chan, but I could be wrong) as he thought that all these people calling each other &quot;nigger&quot; were his &quot;white brothers&quot; or something of that nature. Anonymous responded quite harshly to him, getting the tax status of his radio show changed unfairly and interrupting the broadcast on multiple occasions. If I remember right, Anonymous ultimately got him kicked off the air permanently.

The general rule in that community is that harmless joking about homophobia or racism is funny. Actual homophobia or racism is not, and will be dealt with harshly.


I don&#039;t mean to justify it, because I think it&#039;s homophobic and racist. But it&#039;s not serious in the way you think it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a lesbian gamer, I&#8217;m pretty offended by this article and Ms. Ruby-Sachs constant generalizations about gamers and the video game community. It shows utter ignorance of the gaming community and the reality that the vast majority of players are our allies, not our enemies.</p>
<p>To be sure, there are some homophobic people who play video games. But they&#8217;re a tiny, tiny fraction of the overall group of serious gamers.</p>
<p>chuck: &#8220;Nigger&#8221; and &#8220;faggot&#8221;, for whatever reason, have become essentially inside-jokes among serious gamers and anime, due to anonymous discussion boards like the *chans and Something Awful.</p>
<p>Is it offensive? Yes. But this particular group of netizens doesn&#8217;t really care who gets offended as long as it&#8217;s funny to them and relatively harmless to the affected parties.</p>
<p>Actually, there was a major professional racist who did start trolling one of them (I think it was 4chan, but I could be wrong) as he thought that all these people calling each other &#8220;nigger&#8221; were his &#8220;white brothers&#8221; or something of that nature. Anonymous responded quite harshly to him, getting the tax status of his radio show changed unfairly and interrupting the broadcast on multiple occasions. If I remember right, Anonymous ultimately got him kicked off the air permanently.</p>
<p>The general rule in that community is that harmless joking about homophobia or racism is funny. Actual homophobia or racism is not, and will be dealt with harshly.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to justify it, because I think it&#8217;s homophobic and racist. But it&#8217;s not serious in the way you think it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I expect nothing better from gamers.&quot;

Wow... was this really necessary? It&#039;s no different from saying that one should expect no more from gay people than rampant sexual promiscuity.

The cause is not gamers. The cause is not Microsoft. The cause is not even the games that allow for online interactions. The cause is society.

So stop blaming specific groups for what society as a whole is dealing out. Have you ever been in an environment full of teenagers who use the word &quot;gay&quot; to mean &quot;stupid&quot; more than they use it to mean &quot;homosexual&quot;?

Sure, Microsoft should try to police its chatter, but do they really have the resources to look into every case? I don&#039;t think so.

So let&#039;s look at the real problem and start targeting the true sources of this kind of behavior. Because let&#039;s face it, banning some kid from a game won&#039;t make them change their attitude towards gay slurs. In fact, it will probably push their buttons even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I expect nothing better from gamers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow&#8230; was this really necessary? It&#8217;s no different from saying that one should expect no more from gay people than rampant sexual promiscuity.</p>
<p>The cause is not gamers. The cause is not Microsoft. The cause is not even the games that allow for online interactions. The cause is society.</p>
<p>So stop blaming specific groups for what society as a whole is dealing out. Have you ever been in an environment full of teenagers who use the word &#8220;gay&#8221; to mean &#8220;stupid&#8221; more than they use it to mean &#8220;homosexual&#8221;?</p>
<p>Sure, Microsoft should try to police its chatter, but do they really have the resources to look into every case? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s look at the real problem and start targeting the true sources of this kind of behavior. Because let&#8217;s face it, banning some kid from a game won&#8217;t make them change their attitude towards gay slurs. In fact, it will probably push their buttons even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Del</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/ruby-sachs-xbox-lets-harassment-of-gay-players-go-unchecked/comment-page-3/#comment-45175</link>
		<dc:creator>Del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not surprising.  MS has a 4yr 100% HRC CEI ranking.

My employer has a 7yr 100% HRC CEI ranking, but of course, they pick and choose when they will uphold their policies that provide the top ranking.

We have written numerous times over the last 7 years, and the HRC has responded by doing nothing.

Although we support the congressional efforts, we cannot support the hypocritical Corporate efforts, which tell the corporations that it is okay to disrespect and discriminate because they will get a 100% ranking even though they break their own policies.  We follow what they do, but sadly the HRC lost this family membership years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not surprising.  MS has a 4yr 100% HRC CEI ranking.</p>
<p>My employer has a 7yr 100% HRC CEI ranking, but of course, they pick and choose when they will uphold their policies that provide the top ranking.</p>
<p>We have written numerous times over the last 7 years, and the HRC has responded by doing nothing.</p>
<p>Although we support the congressional efforts, we cannot support the hypocritical Corporate efforts, which tell the corporations that it is okay to disrespect and discriminate because they will get a 100% ranking even though they break their own policies.  We follow what they do, but sadly the HRC lost this family membership years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: ozzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MY WORLD OF WARCRAFT EXPERIENCE.

Same thing happen in the online game World of Warcraft, but here the company retracted and it had a positive outcome. There was a lesbian who wanted to start a gay friendly guild (groups of players are called guilds). So she had to advertise in one of the chatting channels and because draconian rules forbid speaking anything, ANYTHING sexual she got banned (kicked out) of the game. She complained about the dungeon master who did this to higher reps and they finally understood. She, like me, was tired of all the stupid kids who love to drop homophobic slurs. Since then Warcraft has a lot of gay guilds, one of the largest ones is called the Stonewall family. This is easier to do if  you can choose who to play with. 

Unlike xbox where is really random for most games because there are houndreds of games and even if they offer groups it would be really hard if not impossible to play only with gay or gay friendly people. I must admit that I don&#039;t like censorship, I can tolerate a player cursing the enemy player but it gets annoying with they usually young players who are way obsessed  to refer to everything it sucks as gay. 

If you are like me, a gay or lesbian gamer I found this website.

http://www.gaymer.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MY WORLD OF WARCRAFT EXPERIENCE.</p>
<p>Same thing happen in the online game World of Warcraft, but here the company retracted and it had a positive outcome. There was a lesbian who wanted to start a gay friendly guild (groups of players are called guilds). So she had to advertise in one of the chatting channels and because draconian rules forbid speaking anything, ANYTHING sexual she got banned (kicked out) of the game. She complained about the dungeon master who did this to higher reps and they finally understood. She, like me, was tired of all the stupid kids who love to drop homophobic slurs. Since then Warcraft has a lot of gay guilds, one of the largest ones is called the Stonewall family. This is easier to do if  you can choose who to play with. </p>
<p>Unlike xbox where is really random for most games because there are houndreds of games and even if they offer groups it would be really hard if not impossible to play only with gay or gay friendly people. I must admit that I don&#8217;t like censorship, I can tolerate a player cursing the enemy player but it gets annoying with they usually young players who are way obsessed  to refer to everything it sucks as gay. </p>
<p>If you are like me, a gay or lesbian gamer I found this website.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gaymer.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gaymer.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chelsea-Grow-Up</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/ruby-sachs-xbox-lets-harassment-of-gay-players-go-unchecked/comment-page-3/#comment-45134</link>
		<dc:creator>Chelsea-Grow-Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Chelsea, just because you haven&#039;t been discriminated against, then it&#039;s not important if others have been -- and it&#039;s ok if it happened to them? 

No, you are the one we are most ashamed of, and it is we who have lost faith in your kind&#039;s persistently apathetic, self-centeredness ways. When so many of us are fighting for equality, you trivialize it as if it wasn&#039;t really important because it doesn&#039;t affect you. 

Discrimination is WRONG anywhere it rears its ugly head! I hope you don&#039;t have to learn that lesson the hard way someday. But, having said that, maybe you do need to feel the humiliation of discrimination just once in order to learn a little empathy for others -- if that is still possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Chelsea, just because you haven&#8217;t been discriminated against, then it&#8217;s not important if others have been &#8212; and it&#8217;s ok if it happened to them? </p>
<p>No, you are the one we are most ashamed of, and it is we who have lost faith in your kind&#8217;s persistently apathetic, self-centeredness ways. When so many of us are fighting for equality, you trivialize it as if it wasn&#8217;t really important because it doesn&#8217;t affect you. </p>
<p>Discrimination is WRONG anywhere it rears its ugly head! I hope you don&#8217;t have to learn that lesson the hard way someday. But, having said that, maybe you do need to feel the humiliation of discrimination just once in order to learn a little empathy for others &#8212; if that is still possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Chelsea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chelsea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On that note (since this is the first time my comments have shown up on the blog, woo-hoo!), please forgive my French, as it&#039;s crude. But I&#039;m a gamer, and gamers have a certain atmosphere. It&#039;s their world, and they have a dog-eat-dog idea about the whole thing. I&#039;m proudly open about my sexuality in my gaming community, and the only thing they care about is the fact that we all like to check out chicks. Obviously there will be dicks everywhere, but there really, really is no use crying about it. It&#039;s just a game, and the players merely kids. If we&#039;re going to scream DISCRIMINATION around every little corner, about every little thing, I&#039;m going to lose complete faith in my community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On that note (since this is the first time my comments have shown up on the blog, woo-hoo!), please forgive my French, as it&#8217;s crude. But I&#8217;m a gamer, and gamers have a certain atmosphere. It&#8217;s their world, and they have a dog-eat-dog idea about the whole thing. I&#8217;m proudly open about my sexuality in my gaming community, and the only thing they care about is the fact that we all like to check out chicks. Obviously there will be dicks everywhere, but there really, really is no use crying about it. It&#8217;s just a game, and the players merely kids. If we&#8217;re going to scream DISCRIMINATION around every little corner, about every little thing, I&#8217;m going to lose complete faith in my community.</p>
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