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	<title>Comments on: Ruby-Sachs: The Big Gay Speech We Wish Obama Would Give</title>
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		<title>By: Brian O'Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian O'Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Karl.  My posts are correct.  The Clinton team is responsible for DOMA and DADT no less than any republican.  And your suggestion that DOMA and DADT are not obnoxious, but nice, is ludicrous.  But who gives a $%#@^?  Democrats have been awful, and so have the gay inactivists.  They introduce bills that appease and are enough to satisfy the gay activists, but the laws stay on the books.  My posts are about the issue of results, not these &quot;to do&quot; lists in legislative session.

What has happened to gay activists?  When did they become dinner guests and hosts, and stop being the guy at the party everyone wishes would leave?


Instead of advocates, they have been complicit, refusing to apply real pressure with real leverage to the democratic party?  Why are they content to only complain about people who are not in charge of the government?  Obama and the democrats are in charge of the government.  Time to act, and undue the damage they have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karl.  My posts are correct.  The Clinton team is responsible for DOMA and DADT no less than any republican.  And your suggestion that DOMA and DADT are not obnoxious, but nice, is ludicrous.  But who gives a $%#@^?  Democrats have been awful, and so have the gay inactivists.  They introduce bills that appease and are enough to satisfy the gay activists, but the laws stay on the books.  My posts are about the issue of results, not these &#8220;to do&#8221; lists in legislative session.</p>
<p>What has happened to gay activists?  When did they become dinner guests and hosts, and stop being the guy at the party everyone wishes would leave?</p>
<p>Instead of advocates, they have been complicit, refusing to apply real pressure with real leverage to the democratic party?  Why are they content to only complain about people who are not in charge of the government?  Obama and the democrats are in charge of the government.  Time to act, and undue the damage they have done.</p>
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		<title>By: Kari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian O&#039;Reilly: There were some errors in your post. Bills to repeal DADT and DOMA have already been submitted in Congress.

The Military Readiness enhancement Act (which would repeal DADT) was first introduced in March of 2005, but it never made it out of committee. It has been consistently reintroduced in every session of Congress since then. For the 111th Congress (2009-2010), it was introduced in the House on March 3, 2009.

The Respect for Marriage Act (which would repeal DOMA) was introduced back in September of this year, but it&#039;s not on the legislative calendar due to serious doubts that it will pass (and admittedly, the legislative calendar is already very cluttered).

These bills exist and have already been introduced. They&#039;re currently being considered, though.

Also, it is incorrect to suggest DADT or DOMA were Democratic initiatives. DOMA was written and introduced by former Republican representative Bob Barr (who, incidentally, now supports its repeal). It was passed by veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress, and Clinton wasn&#039;t going to be obnoxious and veto something knowing it would just be overridden anyway.

As for DADT, there were Democrats and Republicans on both sides of the issue at the time. While the bill (the Defense Authorization Act of 1994) was not passed with a veto-proof majority by the House, Clinton was likewise not going to be obnoxious by vetoing the military&#039;s budget.

Check your facts and know your history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian O&#8217;Reilly: There were some errors in your post. Bills to repeal DADT and DOMA have already been submitted in Congress.</p>
<p>The Military Readiness enhancement Act (which would repeal DADT) was first introduced in March of 2005, but it never made it out of committee. It has been consistently reintroduced in every session of Congress since then. For the 111th Congress (2009-2010), it was introduced in the House on March 3, 2009.</p>
<p>The Respect for Marriage Act (which would repeal DOMA) was introduced back in September of this year, but it&#8217;s not on the legislative calendar due to serious doubts that it will pass (and admittedly, the legislative calendar is already very cluttered).</p>
<p>These bills exist and have already been introduced. They&#8217;re currently being considered, though.</p>
<p>Also, it is incorrect to suggest DADT or DOMA were Democratic initiatives. DOMA was written and introduced by former Republican representative Bob Barr (who, incidentally, now supports its repeal). It was passed by veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress, and Clinton wasn&#8217;t going to be obnoxious and veto something knowing it would just be overridden anyway.</p>
<p>As for DADT, there were Democrats and Republicans on both sides of the issue at the time. While the bill (the Defense Authorization Act of 1994) was not passed with a veto-proof majority by the House, Clinton was likewise not going to be obnoxious by vetoing the military&#8217;s budget.</p>
<p>Check your facts and know your history.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian O'Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian O'Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gaystudent.  When you look at the facts, a pattern of gay inactivism and false promises emerge.

Here are the facts:  

The repeals are simple -- they take no planning, or legislative effort, and repeal would be logistically easy because democrats control Congress and the presidency.  They just come off the books.  These bills are not new legislation. 

Obama and his team has conflated the repeals with other more complex problems, suggesting that work on gay rights will take away from work on other more pressing matters, using words like &quot;priorities,&quot;  and phrases like it it has to wait &quot;in the tee.&quot; But these repeals require no work, and won&#039;t take any of the president&#039;s time or Congressional time.  So Obama has suggested a false choice, something he has derided.  In this upcoming year the democrats can do both.  They don&#039;t want to do both.

The democratic party was complicit in DOMA and DADT; they were signed by democratic presidents and supported by many democratic members of Congress.  

The democratic party loves to present itself as the party of the gays, and that is just not the fact, even if the GOP is so much more awful.  The democratic party&#039;s argument for support has always been in the nature of blackmail: &quot;You want the GOP? Really?&quot;  

The democratic party now controls both houses of Congress, and the presidency.  They want to put off the the repeals for political reasons only, at least until they win the midterm elections, I think, and/or Obama&#039;s re-election.  But who is to say they will win the midterm elections and retain both houses of Congress?  Who is to say that things will all stay as they are today years and years from now?  And don&#039;t the vets thrown on their asses this month need help THIS MONTH? Don&#039;t gay need to stop having the Federal Government take funds from their families THIS MONTH?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gaystudent.  When you look at the facts, a pattern of gay inactivism and false promises emerge.</p>
<p>Here are the facts:  </p>
<p>The repeals are simple &#8212; they take no planning, or legislative effort, and repeal would be logistically easy because democrats control Congress and the presidency.  They just come off the books.  These bills are not new legislation. </p>
<p>Obama and his team has conflated the repeals with other more complex problems, suggesting that work on gay rights will take away from work on other more pressing matters, using words like &#8220;priorities,&#8221;  and phrases like it it has to wait &#8220;in the tee.&#8221; But these repeals require no work, and won&#8217;t take any of the president&#8217;s time or Congressional time.  So Obama has suggested a false choice, something he has derided.  In this upcoming year the democrats can do both.  They don&#8217;t want to do both.</p>
<p>The democratic party was complicit in DOMA and DADT; they were signed by democratic presidents and supported by many democratic members of Congress.  </p>
<p>The democratic party loves to present itself as the party of the gays, and that is just not the fact, even if the GOP is so much more awful.  The democratic party&#8217;s argument for support has always been in the nature of blackmail: &#8220;You want the GOP? Really?&#8221;  </p>
<p>The democratic party now controls both houses of Congress, and the presidency.  They want to put off the the repeals for political reasons only, at least until they win the midterm elections, I think, and/or Obama&#8217;s re-election.  But who is to say they will win the midterm elections and retain both houses of Congress?  Who is to say that things will all stay as they are today years and years from now?  And don&#8217;t the vets thrown on their asses this month need help THIS MONTH? Don&#8217;t gay need to stop having the Federal Government take funds from their families THIS MONTH?</p>
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		<title>By: yodafriend</title>
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		<dc:creator>yodafriend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With friends like Mary Cheney, who needs enemies?? Joe Salmonese is a money crack whore!! As long as money is flowing into his business, he&#039;s not doing a gd thing, except padding his wallet. Barney Frank!?!? He thinks we shouldn&#039;t fight for our equal rights now. Really??? With friends like these?!? Forget Republicans,conservatives and religious folk. When it comes to our rights we have hoo hahs working for us in the government, that shouldn&#039;t be there. I&#039;m sure there will be several attacks back on me, but really?!?, really people, who&#039;s fighting for our equal rights??

I hope that this sends at least one more person to the March on Washington on October 10 &amp; 11th. Nobody will do right by us, but ourselves. If we don&#039;t fight, then who do we point our fingers at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With friends like Mary Cheney, who needs enemies?? Joe Salmonese is a money crack whore!! As long as money is flowing into his business, he&#8217;s not doing a gd thing, except padding his wallet. Barney Frank!?!? He thinks we shouldn&#8217;t fight for our equal rights now. Really??? With friends like these?!? Forget Republicans,conservatives and religious folk. When it comes to our rights we have hoo hahs working for us in the government, that shouldn&#8217;t be there. I&#8217;m sure there will be several attacks back on me, but really?!?, really people, who&#8217;s fighting for our equal rights??</p>
<p>I hope that this sends at least one more person to the March on Washington on October 10 &amp; 11th. Nobody will do right by us, but ourselves. If we don&#8217;t fight, then who do we point our fingers at?</p>
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		<title>By: gaystudent</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaystudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brian O&#039;Reilly While DOMA is regrettable, DADT was actually feasible at the time. It was meant to protect gay people in the military by allowing them to serve and not disclose their sexual orientation. Before DADT gays were not allowed to serve at all, they were banned. So essentially DADT changed nothing. Clinton should be praised for this bill, not condemned.
DOMA was passed with a Republican controlled house and senate.

Clinton opposes both of these measures today.

People think the president has a lot more power than he actually does. Sure he can say he&#039;s going to do something, but he really can&#039;t do much if the house and senate don&#039;t introduce the bills and agree that change is needed.

RobertinWestbury is absolutely right I feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian O&#8217;Reilly While DOMA is regrettable, DADT was actually feasible at the time. It was meant to protect gay people in the military by allowing them to serve and not disclose their sexual orientation. Before DADT gays were not allowed to serve at all, they were banned. So essentially DADT changed nothing. Clinton should be praised for this bill, not condemned.<br />
DOMA was passed with a Republican controlled house and senate.</p>
<p>Clinton opposes both of these measures today.</p>
<p>People think the president has a lot more power than he actually does. Sure he can say he&#8217;s going to do something, but he really can&#8217;t do much if the house and senate don&#8217;t introduce the bills and agree that change is needed.</p>
<p>RobertinWestbury is absolutely right I feel.</p>
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		<title>By: qolson</title>
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		<dc:creator>qolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s disappointing that President Obama could change the lives of millions of tax-paying Americans with his signature but chooses not to. But the real problem is GLBT people have been discriminated against for so long that even we accept it as the norm. We allow the calculated lies of organized &quot;religions&quot; to dictate national policy while promoting their own self-serving agendas. We are complacent and only hope for even the smallest acknowledgement when we should be kicking down the door of every politician demanding equality. I know he’s only been in office 11 months, but now it’s time for him to act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s disappointing that President Obama could change the lives of millions of tax-paying Americans with his signature but chooses not to. But the real problem is GLBT people have been discriminated against for so long that even we accept it as the norm. We allow the calculated lies of organized &#8220;religions&#8221; to dictate national policy while promoting their own self-serving agendas. We are complacent and only hope for even the smallest acknowledgement when we should be kicking down the door of every politician demanding equality. I know he’s only been in office 11 months, but now it’s time for him to act.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian O'Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian O'Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democrats are responsible for the passing of DOMA and DADT.  No one seems to want to hold them accountable, because gay activists are democratic voters.  The GOP is not an option, but civil disobedience is an option as leverage for action.  If DOMA and DADT are not repealed in a year, we stay home in the midterm elections.  It&#039;s not self destruction, it is leverage.  The democrats NOW control both houses of congress and the presidency.  No other time in this next year is going to be better.  They could lose one of those houses of congress anyway.  NOW is the time to pressure democrats into undoing what they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats are responsible for the passing of DOMA and DADT.  No one seems to want to hold them accountable, because gay activists are democratic voters.  The GOP is not an option, but civil disobedience is an option as leverage for action.  If DOMA and DADT are not repealed in a year, we stay home in the midterm elections.  It&#8217;s not self destruction, it is leverage.  The democrats NOW control both houses of congress and the presidency.  No other time in this next year is going to be better.  They could lose one of those houses of congress anyway.  NOW is the time to pressure democrats into undoing what they did.</p>
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		<title>By: RobertinWestbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobertinWestbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not believe he hates us... but... 

he is a politician.  

We are one year away from the congressional midterm elections.  He likely will not hand the conservatives the opportunity to use any advancement of gay rights against Democrats.  

And then two years later, he is up for re-election.  As someone who has tried way too hard to appeal to moderate to right of center voters, he likely won&#039;t want to defend any action promoting &#039;the gay agenda.&#039;  

So, while I think he has no problems preaching to us the way it should be, to actually lift a finger to make it the way it should be is too politically risky.  

That is just the political reality.  

If he ever does do something for us, I don&#039;t expect it to occur until after he is re-elected, IF he is re-elected.  And he can do it by betting on our votes, because... what else are we going to do?  Vote for Palin or Romney?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not believe he hates us&#8230; but&#8230; </p>
<p>he is a politician.  </p>
<p>We are one year away from the congressional midterm elections.  He likely will not hand the conservatives the opportunity to use any advancement of gay rights against Democrats.  </p>
<p>And then two years later, he is up for re-election.  As someone who has tried way too hard to appeal to moderate to right of center voters, he likely won&#8217;t want to defend any action promoting &#8216;the gay agenda.&#8217;  </p>
<p>So, while I think he has no problems preaching to us the way it should be, to actually lift a finger to make it the way it should be is too politically risky.  </p>
<p>That is just the political reality.  </p>
<p>If he ever does do something for us, I don&#8217;t expect it to occur until after he is re-elected, IF he is re-elected.  And he can do it by betting on our votes, because&#8230; what else are we going to do?  Vote for Palin or Romney?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Greenwalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Greenwalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never had any faith in Obama&#039;s or any other politician&#039;s promises.  His speech is irrelevant and all that matters is what actions his administration and the legislature take.  My bet is the hate crime legislation will be the biggest thing we get from this administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never had any faith in Obama&#8217;s or any other politician&#8217;s promises.  His speech is irrelevant and all that matters is what actions his administration and the legislature take.  My bet is the hate crime legislation will be the biggest thing we get from this administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Corwin Burnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Corwin Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wishful thinking my friends.  This man hates us. Don&#039;t count on anything but lovely words from him---ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wishful thinking my friends.  This man hates us. Don&#8217;t count on anything but lovely words from him&#8212;ever.</p>
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