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Ruby-Sachs: Mormons the victims of bigotry?

By Emma Ruby-Sachs, 365gay blogger 11.18.2008 10:51am EST

A protest outside of the Church of Latter Day Saints in New York City.

A story ran in the LA Times yesterday that detailed the efforts of gay rights activists to vilify the Mormon Church.

Since the push by Mormon organizations in partnership with many evangelical groups to bolster the Yes on 8 campaign, the Mormon church has been receiving hate mail, faced protests and even witnessed the burning of the Book of Mormon.  Now they are, “amazed to think there was such bigotry in the country.”

Even a Harvard professor muses that Mormonism is the religion everyone loves to hate.

Well, I’m not a proponent of hate. But I’m pretty sure that Mormons hate, if not a large group of people, then the actions of many of the writers and readers here on 365gay. Why else would they spend countless hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars to deny LGBT people equal constitutional protection?

Some insiders suggest that the Mormon Church worked so hard on the Proposition 8 campaign in order to solidify relationships with mainstream religious organizations. Which just goes to show that we never really leave high school: the proverbial loser in the back of the class will always throw spitballs at the geek in the corner just so the jocks will think he is cool.

Whatever the reason, the distrust and anger directed at the Mormon Church is justified.

This is not an instance of a group of people freely acting upon their faith. This is a moment where one group of people actively campaigned to relegate another group of people to second class status. That is not faith, it is not the word of God and it is definitely not acceptable behavior.

This country has been through a long line of struggles where fundamental rights were denied a group of citizens. Those who opposed that progress have been painted as villains in the American story. Why are the Mormons so surprised that they are now hated as much as slave owners in the South?


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  • O Sandoval Said: November 18th, 2008 at 11:45 am
    • They keep saying that they don’t do this out of hate. But destroying 20,000 people dreams and hopes, at the same time taking a big dump in the state constitution, I hope they repeat that to themselves every day so they can really believe is not hate.

  • Aiden Raccoon Said: November 18th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
    • Some people maybe didn’t vote this way out of hate for gays, but they still remain on the same side as people that do, so their vote counts just the same as the KKK.

      After it passed, I heard many people say things like “Take that in the a$$ faggots!”. We have every right, in fact, our duty to blacklist and boycott.

  • Quasi Said: November 18th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
    • When one person or a group (perhaps better called a “mob”) performs actions that are unacceptable to a group of people, even DETRIMENTALLY AGAINST one individual, it is MOST APPROPRIATE to call that person or mob onto the carpet. It is even more appropriate to call LOUD attention to this group (mob) so that others will not accidentally or unknowingly become its proponent. Unfair and evil actons are not acceptable to anyone.

      Unfortunately, too many people do not think for themselves and are often pulled into a bad person’s (or group’s) ill-formed and ill-executed ideas and deeds.

      When one is a bigot or a hater, it is NOT bigotry and certainly NOT hateful for another to call attention to their inappropriate actions and deeds.

      It is even better for someone to ask others to NEVER become duped again, (or preferably, in the first place) and to AVOID such evil people in the future, and to continue to warn others about the bigot’s inppropriate actions.

  • Anna Said: November 18th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
    • What’s really been bothering me about this issue is that Mormons are now playing the “victim” and crying “reverse discrimination.” They’re calling us the bigots. This confuses and angers me. The issues just don’t equate. We have a legitimate beef with church LEADERSHIP who convinced their followers to do everything in their power to ensure the passage of Prop 8. This meant millions of dollars poured into the Yes on 8 campaign, hundreds of phone banking hours were logged, and hundreds of thousands of voters were swayed. Our response is a call for a review of the Church’s tax-exempt status—a PRIVILEGE conferred upon the CHURCH (not individual Mormons) as long as certain guidelines are followed. I know very few people who actually hate individual Mormons who did nothing more than vote the way they felt compelled by their religious leaders. I know fewer who would do something to strip Mormons of their rights to practice their faith as they see fit. However, every individual Mormon who voted in favor of Proposition 8 made a clear statement, through their vote, that they do not believe LGBT Americans should be afforded the same rights as every straight person in this country. Their message was one that strips individuals, based solely on their membership in despised class, of fundamental civil rights.

      Religious (and non-religious people) have EVERY right to free speech, to “vote their conscience,” and to piss people off. But, “with great power comes great responsibility.” If you exercise your freedoms in a way that disparages an entire group of people and effectively strips them of their equal rights and dignity, be prepared for the backlash. Just as you have every right to exercise your freedom of speech, so do I. Protesting church leaders who pushed the measure on their flocks and boycotting businesses that helped fund the Yes on 8 campaign are legitimate means of expressing my displeasure with what you have done. What I find so surprising, though, is how angry they get over this when NOTHING that I do in response to their support of the Proposition will take away their fundamental rights. Nothing. I can protest until I am blue in the face, but they will never lose their right to vote, to speak, to fund campaigns, to worship as they see fit, or to marry. But each of their actions, have effectively stripped my of mine.

      You cannot bankroll a campaign that vilifies gays and lesbians and scares religious hetero parents into thinking we are out to recruit their kids in the public school system and then throw your hands up and step back. The Mormon leadership released the following statement: “The end of a free and fair election should not be the beginning of a hostile response in America.” I say, “Bullshit!” This comment is laughable, at best. This is EXACTLY what should happen in America. Democracy, at its core, demands it. Simply because a “free and fair election” results in inequality, does not mean we should lie down and accept that inequality. It is incumbent upon us to fight back, to make our voices heard. At its most basic, democracy is about majority rule, with respect for minority RIGHTS. We cannot lie back and allow the majority to usurp our rights, while religious and conservative leaders pervert democracy by calling our response “undemocratic.” That, my friends, is undemocratic. It is un-American. And it is unfair.

  • Chris Sullivan Said: November 18th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    • To the Mormons: CRY ME A [FREAKING] RIVER! YOU wanted to impose yourselves on OUR lives – now we are going to impose on YOURS!

  • TigerTzu Said: November 18th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
    • Well said, Anna.

  • Tabitha Said: November 18th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    • You say your all against hate and yet many comments I’ve read ooze hate. This is not right to stand for a thing while projecting the same. Sure I have been been treated poorly becasue of who I love but that does not justify me hating another person or looking upon them with contempt. God spoke always of forgivness and I forgive all for there hurtfullness and ignorance. By the way I might be gay but I am also Mormon so sometimes things can fit.

  • Jessica Said: November 18th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    • OK,

      Now is the time for someone in Cali to start a referendum to strip Mormon’s of their civil rights and outlaw their religion. The way the silly referendum system is set up it may just be doable.

      This is a Republic not a Democracy like so many believe. Republics are setup to protect the minority from the will of the majority. What better way to point out the flaw in the referendum process by actively working to strip someone else of their rights.

      If they can do it so can we!

  • Michelle Said: November 18th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
    • When people do bad things, they should be vilified for it. Gays getting married was not harming the Mormon Church. It wasn’t harming anyone. We were minding our own business when they decided it was their moral obligation to take our rights away.

      We are not taking the Mormon’s rights away by protesting them. In this country, you can hate anyone you want. We don’t have a thought police. What we do have is the 14th Amendment that I demand be upheld. And the Mormon Church needs to lose it’s tax exempt status or get out of politics.

  • Bob Said: November 18th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
    • The Mormons are such hypocrites. Many still practice polygamy and marry underage girls while casting-off the young men who they feel are competition to the elders. Yet, they feel that they have the right to dictate who we should love. I am married to one man only. Maybe the Mormons should clean their dirty houses before dictating to others! I, for one think we should do everything in our Gay power to put down this religion of hate.

  • mark Said: November 18th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
    • In framing same sex marriage as a civil right I think we need to remind Americans of the Supreme Court’s 1967 language in deciding Loving vs Virginia: “…marriage is one of the basic civil rights of man,…
      This very language has been repeated in numerous later decisions regarding marriage, including marriage rights for federal prisoners. Mark, Rochester, mn

  • Asheley Said: November 18th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
    • I’m agaisnt every type of bigotry and discrimination, however, some groups like the Mormon and Evangelical church crossed the line and I don’t feel too bad for them. If they want to bully people and take away rights, they should be able to handle all that comes with it. They’re hurting millions of people by not protecting their rights. Can’t be pro-family if you exclude some families. Heck being pro-family means protecting all kinds of families, but I don’t think people like that understand what it means to be a family.

      I don’t hate them but I still dislike haters like that who decides to hide behind religion to act like bullies. I truely feel sorry for them because they don’t understand how to treat other people. *sigh*

  • Coty Smith Said: November 18th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
  • julie Said: November 18th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
    • While it is perfectly justified to be angry at Mormon leadership, we must not forget that there are people on our side within the Mormon community, and there are closeted gay kids within the Mormon church who need (or will need) our support. I’m not saying don’t protest or be angry, I’m just saying that we should keep our message centered in love and inclusivity. This will make it harder for them to hate us, and at the same time make it easier for those who agree with us within the Mormon church to stand up for equal rights.

  • Justin Said: November 18th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
    • Whereas I agree the protests are called for, deserved and required. Hate mail and burning of religious books are in my opinion going too far.

 
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