http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/447440.aspx

The fact is you were wrong.

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I’ve provided several links that show Obama has continued to use anti-gay bigots and “Yes on Prop 8″ advocates to shill for the passage of Prop 8 on his Faith Tours. You maintained that Obama only did that once back with Donnie McClurkin, and said I was “milking it”. I have since provided several links to show that Obama is doing EXACTLY what I said. You were the one who kept posting that you were waiting to be proven wrong, well now you have been. YOU WERE WRONG. OBAMA CONTINUES TO USE ANTI-GAY “Yes on Prop 8″ advocates in his “Faith Tours” one conducted in California as recently as last month.

Weird as it is, sometimes immigrant communities are more traditional and conservative than communities from their home country. My husband’s family, for instance, accepted that he was gay a lot quicker than my family did, even though they live in Asia, where a lot of the prevailing gender roles are more entrenched and harshly enforced than they are here in America.

My own pet theory is that immigrant communities, in order to hold on to a sense of cultural identity, sometimes latch onto certain ideas of what it means to be from their culture so hard that it becomes a parody of the original communities. It sometimes seems that immigrant communities are more traditional than the communities they originally came from.

Just a random observation. I wonder if there’s a study been done on this.

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Good point Will, but Ruby also fails to include one more relevant point. Obama has been actively exploiting the homophobia within the Black church since the beginning of the election! Obama used homophobia and hatred against gays to garner votes with the conservative Black community in South Carolina with the anti-gay bigot Donnie McClurkin, and Obama CONTINUES to use anti-gay bigots to shill for his “FAITH TOURS” to garner votes. These “Faith Tours” specifically target these very people (African American church goers) and preach that they should vote Yes on Prop 8 and vote for Obama. This is a sad FACT that Ruby- Sachs is quite happy to ignore.

http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid61930.asp

http://www.gaynewswatch.com/Page.cfm?PageID=3&SID=6273

http://katestone.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/obama-waffles-on-civil-rights-for-homosexuals/

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Rocco, What happened? You kept posting (rather aggressively) that you would “keep waiting” for me to post links/sources that prove my claim that Obama continues to use anti-gay “Yes on Prop 8″ advocates that actively shill for the passage of Prop 8 on Obama’s “Faith Tours”. You said I was “milking an old story” but several news agencies including The Advocate have reported that Obama continues to use anti-gay bigots in his “Faith Tours” as recently as last month in September 2008! I’ve given you several links to prove the veracity of my claims. And yet for all of your insistance, you seem to have vanished rather than face the truth. hmmmmm.

http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid61930.asp

http://www.gaynewswatch.com/Page.cfm?PageID=3&SID=6273

http://katestone.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/obama-waffles-on-civil-rights-for-homosexuals/

You mention that “(you are) hesitant to write off minorities as enemies of the LGBT people.” That may be all very well and good, but the better point- and it is subtle yet HUGE- was finally made at the very end of your essay! => the “hope that the ABC story does not affect the way we see minority voters in the next election.”

The difference is the use of WE instead of the I.

This may seem small and trivial, but it shifts the concern of your essay from the intent of the ABCnews article in the beginning to how the GLBT community as a whole will view “minorities” at the end.

["minorities" is of course referring racial minorities relative to the whole population consisting of the white majority]

So I shall first address what seemed to be the point of your article at the beginning with the use of the “I.” The ABCnews article did not mean to look at all racial minorities as anti-gay. [Although I do appreciate you being concerned with this because it provides good discussion.] The article emphasized the influence and position religion (in particular conservative religion) has in the black and Latino communities.

As you imply, one must not assume that all members of these minorities fit these molds- just like not all people in GLBT community fits in our “own molds.” But one cannot neglect the fact that historically the church has played a major role in many people of these communities.

And the ABCnews article takes note that this year’s election is likely to draw huge numbers of black and Latino voters to the polls. With these huge numbers, many people of these racial minority groups are likely to be conservative church-going members. And they will, consequently, be more likely to vote in favor of Prop 8.

That is the point of the article. If anything, the point that should be brought up in your article is how this is really another “simple” story of ADDITIONAL CONSERVATIVE Americans going to the polls.

Thankfully you do stress somewhat throughout your essay- and especially at the end with the “we”- the need for white GLBT Americans to read the ABCnews article and hope it “does not affect the way we see minority voters in the next election.”

I must say- and I obviously might be wrong- that I assume you, Emma, are likely white because I highly doubt any black or Latino GLBT Americans have any problem seeing that “the struggle for gay rights really does extend across racial communities.”

The point should have been that the struggle for gay rights does continue to extend across all conservative U.S. voters, including ones found within the racial minorities of America.

Thanks for providing me a reason to think =]
-Will Calhoun
23 yr old, white student at Central Michigan University

Right. Because verbally harassing minorities in a “minority-majority” state is really going to help defeat Proposition 8. That makes perfect sense. If we accuse all Africans, Asians, and Hispanics – who collectively are more than 50% of the voters in California – of being anti-gay bigots, maybe they’ll vote for us.

Who do you think you’re fooling? You’re obviously a Republican troublemaker. Your behavior makes it all the more likely this hateful amendment will pass. Please stop pretending as if you’re trying to help. You just want to further your pathetic Rovian “divide and conquer” strategy to help John McCain.