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		<title>By: Jaeger; Lexington, KY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaeger; Lexington, KY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great pity that Mr. Obama seems not to realize that he&#039;s in a position to enter American presidential history&#039;s most honored and exclusive &quot;club&quot; -- Great Emancipator.

Arise, Mr. President!  Stand up for America and its promise of equality and justice for all!  Champion the downtrodden, among whose ranks your persecuted race languished just 40 years ago.  Set our people -- all the people -- free, and live forever revered in the hearts of your countrymen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great pity that Mr. Obama seems not to realize that he&#8217;s in a position to enter American presidential history&#8217;s most honored and exclusive &#8220;club&#8221; &#8212; Great Emancipator.</p>
<p>Arise, Mr. President!  Stand up for America and its promise of equality and justice for all!  Champion the downtrodden, among whose ranks your persecuted race languished just 40 years ago.  Set our people &#8212; all the people &#8212; free, and live forever revered in the hearts of your countrymen!</p>
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		<title>By: drewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s true significance is symbolic.  He is the Chief Executive; it is entirely appropriate for the Chief Executive to exhort the legislative branch to remove discriminatory laws.  For those who believe there is a dignity inherent with the office, that dignity must include working to keep the United States true to its Constitution--specifically the part about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  When President Obama has already (whether as Senator or President) acknowledged the existence of state-imposed discrimination against gays, he has highlighted his own moral obligation to support the removal of that discrimination.  No, unlike some states, the Federal government does not provide for a President to draft legislation--but there&#039;s no reason that the President can&#039;t reach out to both bodies and all members to achieve change.

Bill Clinton was very disappointing in that sense, but the circumstances were different.  For whatever reason, the American people were damn near eager to see as much antigay legislation as could be put on the ballot or on a bill, and a great deal of it was passed during Clinton&#039;s presidency.  That also had to do with the peaking of the GOP&#039;s right wing, and the vast amounts of money dumped on them by people like Richard Mellon Scaife.  Also, the rise of Fox News, and the self-imposed gutting of legitimate journalistic standards by every major mainstream media outlet, furthered the goals of the right.  Although the media outlets haven&#039;t done much to redeem themselves, the American people are tired, and we&#039;re specifically too wary and too ill-used to take any more big lies.  

Obama is not white, at least not in the way that every other US president has been.  He is racially mixed, and in American politics, the first nonwhite president will have to be smarter and get more done to achieve  historical recognition for more than melanin.  That is where Obama is failing in a miserable way.  He can&#039;t afford to be just a black president--he HAS to lead for ALL Americans.  Right now, it&#039;s very clear that gays are not in his focus.  We aren&#039;t worth the political capital.  Then again, truly pitched battles have yet been seen in Congress?  How about NONE, which wipes out the argument about Obama&#039;s precious political capital.  When Sen. Franken is finally seated as the second Senator from Minnesota, the Dems will be veto-proof, or one vote away.  The GOP had more balls with a smaller majority.  As the President is unwilling to stand up for us, so the Congressional Dems are following the example.  

I took Jeff to task for suggesting that Obama is antigay in the mold of the GOP.  Now I&#039;ll put some meat on the bones of Jeff&#039;s secondary argument.  Obama&#039;s path of not supporting us but not opposing us still amounts to what was once called salutary neglect.  You didn&#039;t tear down the historic house, but neither did you put on a new roof.  The outcome is the same, except there&#039;s something more honorable about being direct and forthright.  The no-new-roof path just isn&#039;t supportive, right?  It&#039;s also the same path as &quot;well, I saw those guys beat that man, but I kept going because it wasn&#039;t my fight,&quot; or maybe &quot;I heard those kids screaming, and I saw them through the window just lying there and not moving after their mother left, but I didn&#039;t call the police because my phone&#039;s battery was low.&quot;  Salutary neglect is close to passive-aggressive action.  Salutary neglect is the path of knowing that even speaking up can help somebody else, but you choose not to speak up because you see that it could be inconvenient for you.  It&#039;s the path of the coward and the narcissist.  It&#039;s what you do when you know the right thing to do, but you actively choose not to do it.  Barack Obama inaction shows a side of him which is kindly called morally questionable.  I may vote Democrat, but--unlike some--I&#039;m not about to stay quiet and enable questionable behavior just to maintain a Congressional majority.

Jeff, maybe I&#039;m wrong, but isn&#039;t this part of what you were saying?  That Obama has made himself a man of questionable morals and integrity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s true significance is symbolic.  He is the Chief Executive; it is entirely appropriate for the Chief Executive to exhort the legislative branch to remove discriminatory laws.  For those who believe there is a dignity inherent with the office, that dignity must include working to keep the United States true to its Constitution&#8211;specifically the part about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  When President Obama has already (whether as Senator or President) acknowledged the existence of state-imposed discrimination against gays, he has highlighted his own moral obligation to support the removal of that discrimination.  No, unlike some states, the Federal government does not provide for a President to draft legislation&#8211;but there&#8217;s no reason that the President can&#8217;t reach out to both bodies and all members to achieve change.</p>
<p>Bill Clinton was very disappointing in that sense, but the circumstances were different.  For whatever reason, the American people were damn near eager to see as much antigay legislation as could be put on the ballot or on a bill, and a great deal of it was passed during Clinton&#8217;s presidency.  That also had to do with the peaking of the GOP&#8217;s right wing, and the vast amounts of money dumped on them by people like Richard Mellon Scaife.  Also, the rise of Fox News, and the self-imposed gutting of legitimate journalistic standards by every major mainstream media outlet, furthered the goals of the right.  Although the media outlets haven&#8217;t done much to redeem themselves, the American people are tired, and we&#8217;re specifically too wary and too ill-used to take any more big lies.  </p>
<p>Obama is not white, at least not in the way that every other US president has been.  He is racially mixed, and in American politics, the first nonwhite president will have to be smarter and get more done to achieve  historical recognition for more than melanin.  That is where Obama is failing in a miserable way.  He can&#8217;t afford to be just a black president&#8211;he HAS to lead for ALL Americans.  Right now, it&#8217;s very clear that gays are not in his focus.  We aren&#8217;t worth the political capital.  Then again, truly pitched battles have yet been seen in Congress?  How about NONE, which wipes out the argument about Obama&#8217;s precious political capital.  When Sen. Franken is finally seated as the second Senator from Minnesota, the Dems will be veto-proof, or one vote away.  The GOP had more balls with a smaller majority.  As the President is unwilling to stand up for us, so the Congressional Dems are following the example.  </p>
<p>I took Jeff to task for suggesting that Obama is antigay in the mold of the GOP.  Now I&#8217;ll put some meat on the bones of Jeff&#8217;s secondary argument.  Obama&#8217;s path of not supporting us but not opposing us still amounts to what was once called salutary neglect.  You didn&#8217;t tear down the historic house, but neither did you put on a new roof.  The outcome is the same, except there&#8217;s something more honorable about being direct and forthright.  The no-new-roof path just isn&#8217;t supportive, right?  It&#8217;s also the same path as &#8220;well, I saw those guys beat that man, but I kept going because it wasn&#8217;t my fight,&#8221; or maybe &#8220;I heard those kids screaming, and I saw them through the window just lying there and not moving after their mother left, but I didn&#8217;t call the police because my phone&#8217;s battery was low.&#8221;  Salutary neglect is close to passive-aggressive action.  Salutary neglect is the path of knowing that even speaking up can help somebody else, but you choose not to speak up because you see that it could be inconvenient for you.  It&#8217;s the path of the coward and the narcissist.  It&#8217;s what you do when you know the right thing to do, but you actively choose not to do it.  Barack Obama inaction shows a side of him which is kindly called morally questionable.  I may vote Democrat, but&#8211;unlike some&#8211;I&#8217;m not about to stay quiet and enable questionable behavior just to maintain a Congressional majority.</p>
<p>Jeff, maybe I&#8217;m wrong, but isn&#8217;t this part of what you were saying?  That Obama has made himself a man of questionable morals and integrity?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 01:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that relief is to be found with Obama. It is my firm opinion that we need to focus instead on Congress, who are the ones who actually pass legislation, rather than on Obama, who merely signs it.

Nancy Pelosi has been very clear that she sees no rush to do anything about DADT and DOMA. Harry Reid is a Mormon and we would have to be insane to believe he&#039;s going to push things for us unless pressured heavily.

Obama is not an idiot. Clinton made a bunch of big gestures early in his presidency and ran straight into a Congressional brick wall that ended up getting us things like DADT. Obama is not going to play the same game. Unless he has Congress pushing the bills to his desk he&#039;s not going to take action. So we REALLY need to focus on getting Heckle &amp; Jeckel...er...I mean Pelosi and Reid, to stop snowballing us.

We need to push our legislators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that relief is to be found with Obama. It is my firm opinion that we need to focus instead on Congress, who are the ones who actually pass legislation, rather than on Obama, who merely signs it.</p>
<p>Nancy Pelosi has been very clear that she sees no rush to do anything about DADT and DOMA. Harry Reid is a Mormon and we would have to be insane to believe he&#8217;s going to push things for us unless pressured heavily.</p>
<p>Obama is not an idiot. Clinton made a bunch of big gestures early in his presidency and ran straight into a Congressional brick wall that ended up getting us things like DADT. Obama is not going to play the same game. Unless he has Congress pushing the bills to his desk he&#8217;s not going to take action. So we REALLY need to focus on getting Heckle &amp; Jeckel&#8230;er&#8230;I mean Pelosi and Reid, to stop snowballing us.</p>
<p>We need to push our legislators.</p>
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		<title>By: giovanni d'agostino</title>
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		<dc:creator>giovanni d'agostino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m in Italy and my companion is in the Military. Now he came back to the States and we are alone.
There are thousands of gay in the Military and there are thousands of sons and daughters of gay and lesbians in the Military.
These families are waiting for the decisions of your President.
They cannot be happy and they are not free. Some of them say: “of course we can join the military and we cannot say nothing about our homosexuality; we have freedom of die but not freedom of live”.
The children of these families are embarrassed because they cannot share the stories of theyr beloved family.
Is Obama looking too forward? Is too much bipartisan?
I wont my companion with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m in Italy and my companion is in the Military. Now he came back to the States and we are alone.<br />
There are thousands of gay in the Military and there are thousands of sons and daughters of gay and lesbians in the Military.<br />
These families are waiting for the decisions of your President.<br />
They cannot be happy and they are not free. Some of them say: “of course we can join the military and we cannot say nothing about our homosexuality; we have freedom of die but not freedom of live”.<br />
The children of these families are embarrassed because they cannot share the stories of theyr beloved family.<br />
Is Obama looking too forward? Is too much bipartisan?<br />
I wont my companion with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercedes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercedes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Obama&#039;s position on Gay Marriage is starting to look backwards. Much like those outdated philosophies of those politicians he criticized on the campaign trail. 

Other Presidents embraced Civil Rights movements and pushed for equality for all Americans. The argument that Marriage is a matter better left up to the States is sooo weak. Mrs. Loving would disagree. 

By Obama and Mr. Gibbs logic the laws banning Marriages between the races should have been left up to the States. WEAK!

Obama was for Gay Marriage before he was against it....eventually he will blow with the wind....that said....not much leadership in that behavior. WEAK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Obama&#8217;s position on Gay Marriage is starting to look backwards. Much like those outdated philosophies of those politicians he criticized on the campaign trail. </p>
<p>Other Presidents embraced Civil Rights movements and pushed for equality for all Americans. The argument that Marriage is a matter better left up to the States is sooo weak. Mrs. Loving would disagree. </p>
<p>By Obama and Mr. Gibbs logic the laws banning Marriages between the races should have been left up to the States. WEAK!</p>
<p>Obama was for Gay Marriage before he was against it&#8230;.eventually he will blow with the wind&#8230;.that said&#8230;.not much leadership in that behavior. WEAK!</p>
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		<title>By: drewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 16:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff Barea--Jeff, you have NO room to call anybody out.  Why don&#039;t you tell us all the wonderful things that George W Bush&#039;s two administrations did for gays?  NOT A DAMN THING.  No, Clinton wasn&#039;t much better--but let&#039;s recall that much of the antigay venom of that time was part of the same GOP hate machine that turned Clinton&#039;s blowjob into a crisis of state that left even Muslim countries befuddled.

I&#039;m one of many on this site who refuse to vote GOP because--at least in my state (Ohio), the GOP has proven itself to be very actively antigay.  I&#039;ve also been vocal in my disappointment with Obama, and the fact that he can either be a leader or he can be a historical footnote.  And yes, I have no problem saying that Obama&#039;s refusal to work to repeal discriminatory Federal legislation only makes him look like an opportunist, and that he looks like yet another nonwhite public figure who thinks it&#039;s OK to use his/her faith to justify institutional discrimination.

We&#039;re not so far apart on Obama&#039;s poor performance.  As for the attempt to imply superiority of the GOP or the &quot;conservative&quot; movement, would you care to explain why it&#039;s your faction which has fought to deny gay Americans our Constitutionally-guaranteed equality under the law?  Where were Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Bill Kristol to decry the groundless intrusion of the state into Americans&#039; lives?  Oh--they were the ones pushing for DOMA, for DADT, for state bans on gays adopting children.  You can deny and obfuscate and dance like Merce Cunningham on crack all you want, but it&#039;s been your conservative pseudo-defenders of the Constitution who&#039;ve done everything they can to deny us our equality.  Obama and a Dem-controlled Congress aren&#039;t coming up with any new antigay stuff, which in itself is better than what we&#039;ve had for the last eight years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff Barea&#8211;Jeff, you have NO room to call anybody out.  Why don&#8217;t you tell us all the wonderful things that George W Bush&#8217;s two administrations did for gays?  NOT A DAMN THING.  No, Clinton wasn&#8217;t much better&#8211;but let&#8217;s recall that much of the antigay venom of that time was part of the same GOP hate machine that turned Clinton&#8217;s blowjob into a crisis of state that left even Muslim countries befuddled.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m one of many on this site who refuse to vote GOP because&#8211;at least in my state (Ohio), the GOP has proven itself to be very actively antigay.  I&#8217;ve also been vocal in my disappointment with Obama, and the fact that he can either be a leader or he can be a historical footnote.  And yes, I have no problem saying that Obama&#8217;s refusal to work to repeal discriminatory Federal legislation only makes him look like an opportunist, and that he looks like yet another nonwhite public figure who thinks it&#8217;s OK to use his/her faith to justify institutional discrimination.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not so far apart on Obama&#8217;s poor performance.  As for the attempt to imply superiority of the GOP or the &#8220;conservative&#8221; movement, would you care to explain why it&#8217;s your faction which has fought to deny gay Americans our Constitutionally-guaranteed equality under the law?  Where were Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Bill Kristol to decry the groundless intrusion of the state into Americans&#8217; lives?  Oh&#8211;they were the ones pushing for DOMA, for DADT, for state bans on gays adopting children.  You can deny and obfuscate and dance like Merce Cunningham on crack all you want, but it&#8217;s been your conservative pseudo-defenders of the Constitution who&#8217;ve done everything they can to deny us our equality.  Obama and a Dem-controlled Congress aren&#8217;t coming up with any new antigay stuff, which in itself is better than what we&#8217;ve had for the last eight years.</p>
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		<title>By: equalnotspecial</title>
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		<dc:creator>equalnotspecial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 14:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DADT teaches discrimination and prejudice. That is in direct opposition to every one of our other goals. Getting rid of it should be a priority. How can we achieve equality when we are teaching prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DADT teaches discrimination and prejudice. That is in direct opposition to every one of our other goals. Getting rid of it should be a priority. How can we achieve equality when we are teaching prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Barea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Barea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 13:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This President is going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming to do the right thing.

Yeah, all you democrat apologists who feel like waiting until you are 90 to be treated as regular Americans can shut the uck up.

This is not the 80&#039;s where you were dying so you spoke up.  This is not the 90&#039;s where you decided to make deals aka compromises.

This is not the early double otts where you learned that power comes with money and lavish lifestyles.

This is a new paradigm where the new generation does not put party before Constitution.

Gay marriage is spreading despite Michael Rogers and Michael Signorile&#039;s outting campaign.

Seriously? Who in Maine was outted to get gay marriage?

This is now the time for Gen X&#039;ers and the Millienials to restore the concept of liberty. Not fairness.  Life is not fair. We all die.

Liberty is the new black.  That&#039;s a fashion adage Withers, so don&#039;t get your panties in a bunch.

All the rights gay people have are already enshrined in the Constitution and its Amendments.

This is why liberals have sucked at getting the gay communities rights respected.

They are already there.  All that needs to be done is restore respect for the Constitution and stop this libtard shredding of it for money.  Yes, money.

Ah, you have just heard the first truly conservative comment regarding gay rights. Stop defining conservatism through the prism of your political party.

That is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This President is going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming to do the right thing.</p>
<p>Yeah, all you democrat apologists who feel like waiting until you are 90 to be treated as regular Americans can shut the uck up.</p>
<p>This is not the 80&#8217;s where you were dying so you spoke up.  This is not the 90&#8217;s where you decided to make deals aka compromises.</p>
<p>This is not the early double otts where you learned that power comes with money and lavish lifestyles.</p>
<p>This is a new paradigm where the new generation does not put party before Constitution.</p>
<p>Gay marriage is spreading despite Michael Rogers and Michael Signorile&#8217;s outting campaign.</p>
<p>Seriously? Who in Maine was outted to get gay marriage?</p>
<p>This is now the time for Gen X&#8217;ers and the Millienials to restore the concept of liberty. Not fairness.  Life is not fair. We all die.</p>
<p>Liberty is the new black.  That&#8217;s a fashion adage Withers, so don&#8217;t get your panties in a bunch.</p>
<p>All the rights gay people have are already enshrined in the Constitution and its Amendments.</p>
<p>This is why liberals have sucked at getting the gay communities rights respected.</p>
<p>They are already there.  All that needs to be done is restore respect for the Constitution and stop this libtard shredding of it for money.  Yes, money.</p>
<p>Ah, you have just heard the first truly conservative comment regarding gay rights. Stop defining conservatism through the prism of your political party.</p>
<p>That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert, NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert, NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 13:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets not loose sight of the fact that Obama is deeply tied to his religious constituency and doesn&#039;t want to offend anyone&#039;s beliefs, the primary reason why he&#039;s no longer for same-sex marriage nor would it be politically expedient to be otherwise. Religious beliefs come first in politics, at least in our system even if it means discriminating against us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not loose sight of the fact that Obama is deeply tied to his religious constituency and doesn&#8217;t want to offend anyone&#8217;s beliefs, the primary reason why he&#8217;s no longer for same-sex marriage nor would it be politically expedient to be otherwise. Religious beliefs come first in politics, at least in our system even if it means discriminating against us.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 05:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama knows that he probably doesn&#039;t need to do anything for LGBTs, because the alternative is a Republican president who will (at minimum) veto equality.  

It&#039;s sad but true, except in the unlikely chance that a viable Democratic challenger somehow wins the nomination in 2012.  If any of Obama&#039;s big-ticket items fail, opening up a chance for a challenge, LGBTs should be looking closely at that opportunity to send a message that LGBT voters actually do expect results, not just talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama knows that he probably doesn&#8217;t need to do anything for LGBTs, because the alternative is a Republican president who will (at minimum) veto equality.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad but true, except in the unlikely chance that a viable Democratic challenger somehow wins the nomination in 2012.  If any of Obama&#8217;s big-ticket items fail, opening up a chance for a challenge, LGBTs should be looking closely at that opportunity to send a message that LGBT voters actually do expect results, not just talk.</p>
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