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	<title>Comments on: Lowenstein: It&#8217;s time to stop fighting with Pat Robertson</title>
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		<title>By: Katie Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/lowenstein-its-time-to-stop-fighting-with-pat-robertson/comment-page-2/#comment-62546</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I look at Pat Robertson and others of their ilk, you can understand why I threw out the bible in the trash.

If he was a Muslim, he would do Osama proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I look at Pat Robertson and others of their ilk, you can understand why I threw out the bible in the trash.</p>
<p>If he was a Muslim, he would do Osama proud.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/lowenstein-its-time-to-stop-fighting-with-pat-robertson/comment-page-2/#comment-62042</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My post was way too long.  Re: Dobson, Robertson, Phelps etc:

One foot in the grave, and the other in their mouths.  In a few short years, these won&#039;t be guys to care about.

You never hear anyone under 65 saying these disgusting things.  Father Time is going to correct Nature&#039;s grim mistakes for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post was way too long.  Re: Dobson, Robertson, Phelps etc:</p>
<p>One foot in the grave, and the other in their mouths.  In a few short years, these won&#8217;t be guys to care about.</p>
<p>You never hear anyone under 65 saying these disgusting things.  Father Time is going to correct Nature&#8217;s grim mistakes for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to concur with prior commenters.  I&#039;ve never seen Robertson on MSNBC - it&#039;s Pat Buchanan who almost never mentions &quot;gay&quot; and thus shows he is smart enough to shut up once he knows he&#039;s lost the argument. 

Buchanan is the jerk who said of AIDS, &quot;The poor homosexuals delcared war on Nature and now she is exacting her revenge.&quot;  So it&#039;s no less awful to pay him for commentary.

At any rate, Pat Robertson is a tired, cranky, malicious, confused old coot.  The people who listen to him are similarly confused, old, angry, and out of touch.

Using him as a debating foil is good, in my opinion, since it reminds younger people of all political stripes who might not remember just how hateful and stupid conservatives were in the 1980s.  A bit like Hitler speeches remind young Germans that hate speech can quickly lead to insane policies.

His time in the spotlight was over in 1992 and he and Falewell ended any lingering claim to credibility after blaming gays and lesbians for the Sept 11 attacks.

The more he talks, the less people listen to that point of view.  So let him yammer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to concur with prior commenters.  I&#8217;ve never seen Robertson on MSNBC &#8211; it&#8217;s Pat Buchanan who almost never mentions &#8220;gay&#8221; and thus shows he is smart enough to shut up once he knows he&#8217;s lost the argument. </p>
<p>Buchanan is the jerk who said of AIDS, &#8220;The poor homosexuals delcared war on Nature and now she is exacting her revenge.&#8221;  So it&#8217;s no less awful to pay him for commentary.</p>
<p>At any rate, Pat Robertson is a tired, cranky, malicious, confused old coot.  The people who listen to him are similarly confused, old, angry, and out of touch.</p>
<p>Using him as a debating foil is good, in my opinion, since it reminds younger people of all political stripes who might not remember just how hateful and stupid conservatives were in the 1980s.  A bit like Hitler speeches remind young Germans that hate speech can quickly lead to insane policies.</p>
<p>His time in the spotlight was over in 1992 and he and Falewell ended any lingering claim to credibility after blaming gays and lesbians for the Sept 11 attacks.</p>
<p>The more he talks, the less people listen to that point of view.  So let him yammer.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with the general sentiment of this article. Society has progressed to the point where he&#039;s no longer remotely connected to the mainstream, when it comes to his ideas about gay people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with the general sentiment of this article. Society has progressed to the point where he&#8217;s no longer remotely connected to the mainstream, when it comes to his ideas about gay people.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately  a lot of folks understand Pat Robertson&#039;s language very well while ours is foreign to them.  They vote and donate big time. Heaven is their reward and a few bucks is good insurance.  Don&#039;t underestimate your enemy.   If you haven&#039;t heard Pat chat on his program you miss how personable and like a dear old uncle he can sound.  Reaganesque.  An upbeat voice is seductive.

The right has often been able to define the debate and create euphemisms and one liners that coalesce their troops while we often play steamroller to their swamp---Ole brer Rabbit an the Tar Baby.  Turn the tables....If Rachel wants to lead em on to rant and rave and recruit the moderates-  Yeah!  Let the dinosaurs wade right in to our tar pit.  Challenge them to some public match with our best chess players and know what moves they&#039;ll make so they can be set up.  But watch out! Some of them are hardly stupid.  The culture war is made up of values, beliefs, science, religion, interpretation of democracy....and the ability to tell a good story.  Dump the jargon and go for the emotions. I wanted to say jugular but from experience, no matter how right you might be if you&#039;re mean you won&#039;t win votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately  a lot of folks understand Pat Robertson&#8217;s language very well while ours is foreign to them.  They vote and donate big time. Heaven is their reward and a few bucks is good insurance.  Don&#8217;t underestimate your enemy.   If you haven&#8217;t heard Pat chat on his program you miss how personable and like a dear old uncle he can sound.  Reaganesque.  An upbeat voice is seductive.</p>
<p>The right has often been able to define the debate and create euphemisms and one liners that coalesce their troops while we often play steamroller to their swamp&#8212;Ole brer Rabbit an the Tar Baby.  Turn the tables&#8230;.If Rachel wants to lead em on to rant and rave and recruit the moderates-  Yeah!  Let the dinosaurs wade right in to our tar pit.  Challenge them to some public match with our best chess players and know what moves they&#8217;ll make so they can be set up.  But watch out! Some of them are hardly stupid.  The culture war is made up of values, beliefs, science, religion, interpretation of democracy&#8230;.and the ability to tell a good story.  Dump the jargon and go for the emotions. I wanted to say jugular but from experience, no matter how right you might be if you&#8217;re mean you won&#8217;t win votes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice comment. But you need to do a spell check before posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice comment. But you need to do a spell check before posting.</p>
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		<title>By: btinc</title>
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		<dc:creator>btinc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Robertson is an abomination before God.</description>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s clear to me that he&#039;s slowly sinking further into dementia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clear to me that he&#8217;s slowly sinking further into dementia.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan McKelvy</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/lowenstein-its-time-to-stop-fighting-with-pat-robertson/comment-page-2/#comment-61876</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan McKelvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its that type of stupid thinking that has destroyed my relationship with my father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its that type of stupid thinking that has destroyed my relationship with my father.</p>
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		<title>By: Jere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whacko?  Nut job?  Delusional?  Self Important?  Has tons of money? and a huge following?  YES!  Just like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulture, John Hagee, James Dobson, etc. etc. etc.

This article seems to imply that we should give these people a &quot;wide berth&quot;, just ignore them and they&#039;ll go away, shun them, don&#039;t engage them about their rants.  WRONG Lowenstein!  The news media jumps on this stuff whether we do or not.  These whack jobs need to have their ridiculous rants subjected to laughter and ridicule.

When Fred &quot;God Hates Fags&quot; Phelps started picketing funerals of dead soilders, the general public turned to our side.  When Jerry &quot;Love my fried chicken&quot; Falwell went on his rant about Tinkie Winkie and who to blame for 911, the general public turned to our side.  If we sit back and just take it then the general public may just start to agree with them.  These people have too many bobbleheads that mindlessly follow their every word.  Before the idiocies spread like a cold germ, we need to spray some germicide on them.  Pass me a kleenex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whacko?  Nut job?  Delusional?  Self Important?  Has tons of money? and a huge following?  YES!  Just like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulture, John Hagee, James Dobson, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>This article seems to imply that we should give these people a &#8220;wide berth&#8221;, just ignore them and they&#8217;ll go away, shun them, don&#8217;t engage them about their rants.  WRONG Lowenstein!  The news media jumps on this stuff whether we do or not.  These whack jobs need to have their ridiculous rants subjected to laughter and ridicule.</p>
<p>When Fred &#8220;God Hates Fags&#8221; Phelps started picketing funerals of dead soilders, the general public turned to our side.  When Jerry &#8220;Love my fried chicken&#8221; Falwell went on his rant about Tinkie Winkie and who to blame for 911, the general public turned to our side.  If we sit back and just take it then the general public may just start to agree with them.  These people have too many bobbleheads that mindlessly follow their every word.  Before the idiocies spread like a cold germ, we need to spray some germicide on them.  Pass me a kleenex.</p>
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