Comments on: Gail Sheehy: Why Hillary Lost

By: Chris H.

Chris H. — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:49:15 +0000

And I thought it was the Republicans who had the corner on mean-spiritedness. All this post-primary whining from a minority of Clintonites (and it’s a small minority, let’s not be fooled by the tossing around of the “18 million” figure) is a huge disservice, not only to Hillary but every woman who wants to run for this land’s top office in the future. And there will be many.

And someday we will have a woman president. I look forward to that day and I see all the current sniping from sore losers as a counter-productive distraction from what we are actually experiencing in the USA: a wresting away from the tyrants the tight strangle hold they’ve had on us all. Long overdue.

By: Pauline Park

Pauline Park — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:28:27 +0000

Coty, “haughty and nasty” is the perfect description for your comments on this page and those that you’ve made over the course of the primary season.

As for your charge of ‘Hillary bashing,’ no reasonable person who reads my post could possibly characterize it as such. As always, you fail entirely to address the substance in my post. All I do is quote Gail Sheehy — a woman and a feminist — and her feminist analysis of the Clinton campaign. If you were seriously engaged with the political process, you would be interested in understanding why Hillary’s nomination bid failed rather than attacking those who provide a reasoned and insightful explanation of that failure.

Your inability to respond with anything but hysterical invective says far more about you than you may realize.

By: Coty Smith

Coty Smith — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:02:51 +0000

I just think it’s funny how the Obamabots feel they have every right to be haughty and nasty and those who still want to see Hillary treated fairly or oppose him are simply supposed to roll over! Ridiculous! Just like they have a right to believe in him, so do the 18 million plus of us have a right to vote McCain or not vote at the presidential level.
Obama is the PRESUMPTIVE nominee, unless the DNC finds a way to change convention rules.
Hillary will be on the roll call in Denver. I for one want it recorded in history how FL is half a vote each.
No candidate has the number of pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot.
Then it will go to a second ballot where superdelegates finally get to vote and until then they can change their minds.
The Denver Group is doing a fantastic job.
to ensure the 18 million people who voted have a voice at the convention.
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/

Hillary and 18 million voters still have rights at Denver to be heard and vote, unless the DNC
comes up with a way to lock half of the party out of the convention.

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:33:56 +0000

Oh good grief, Coty Smith. You’re a delusional Hillary fanatic. The woman has ended her campaign and endorsed her opponent, for goodness sake. Get the hell over it, already!

Sheehy’s analysis sounds right to me. I found the all the masculinity stuff coming out of the Hillary campaign to be downright offensive. The very idea that a candidate for national office could have a surrogate telling the media that she had three testicles as to her opponent’s one testicle was not just absurd, it was juvenile. Some of the effete and sissy rhetoric, moreover, crossed a line into being vaguely homophobic. I’m not voting for any candidate — female, male, or in between — who has herself portrayed as an insecure teenage bully.

I don’t always agree with Pauline, but I appreciate her bringing this intriguing article to our attention.

By: Coty Smith

Coty Smith — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:38:11 +0000

Chris, I know what you mean, Pauline has a problem with a woman being so successful, but Hillary still is a threat to the far left and the DNC crowd
and this is the true reason for the new round of Hillary bashing.
Senator Obama, the DNC, Howard Dean, Pauline and a lot of other people know that Senator Obama has not clinched the nomination,
Obviously Senator Obama and the DNC know the best way to insure he doesn’t lose or look bad is to do what he did to Alice Palmer in Chicago when he first ran for office — try to force her off the ballot and keep her name from being placed in nomination.
I think you will find the true reason
there is a new round of Hillary bashing coming is
the last thing they want is Clinton’s name placed in nomination as is her right since she is still a candidate. And she is entitled to a roll call vote and the opportunity for superdelegates to vote for whom they want at the time — at the convention which is the only place it counts.
Pauline does more to help PUMA then any thing PUMA does. Chris, James Wither’s comments towards you I wouldn’t let bother me for a minute, he has openly lied on this forum and has also shown his resentment toward mainstream Gay America.

By: Pauline Park

Pauline Park — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:19:44 +0000

Chris, your obvious transgenderphobia will only discredit you in the eyes of progressive LGBT and non-LGBT readers of this blog site.

But I would point out with regard to your ‘vagina’ reference that my post simply quotes Gail Sheehy at length; it is she who says that Hillary “ran as tougher than any man.” As far as I know, Gail Sheehy has a vagina; what then, in your view, would account for her (feminist) critique of Hillary as running as a “fake man”?

By: James Withers

James Withers — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:30:31 +0000

Chris,

“I’ve heard of penis-envy, but vagina-envy?”

How old are you brother? This type of retort is best reserved for the high-school hallway. You can do better.

Sincerely,

By: Chris

Chris — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:56:52 +0000

Obviously someone has to reign in your personal crusade againt Clinton. The primary is over dear, time to move on. There must be something in this campaign you can spew your biased, hyper-opionated and divisive rhetoric on instead of continuing to beat a dead horse. I’ve heard of penis-envy, but vagina-envy?

By: Pauline Park

Pauline Park — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:42:47 +0000

Chris, thanks again for yet another constructive contribution to the discussion.

By: Chris

Chris — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:44:09 +0000

Oh for God’s sake Pauline – give it a rest.