Comments on: Duffy: Military ban is an incentive to lie http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/ The daily news source for the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:11:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Robert, NYC http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-58392 Robert, NYC Tue, 26 May 2009 12:32:02 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=7524#comment-58392 RJLigier, the day the ex-gay ministries can prove with documented scientific evidence accepted by the legitimate scientific and medical literature that heterosexuals can be converted to "homosexuality", then maybe your statement might lend some credence in regard to being born gay. Can you prove your were born straight and how? I was the second born of three brothers, I was raised the same way as the other two, yet they are straight and I'm not. Explain, and please, none of that nonsense about overbearing mothers, absentee fathers.....neither of which applied to my parents and no, I didn't play with dolls either. You're an idiot and you know absolutely zero about sexual orientation. As soon as you get back to your bible.....you might want to check out www.fallwell.com. RJLigier, the day the ex-gay ministries can prove with documented scientific evidence accepted by the legitimate scientific and medical literature that heterosexuals can be converted to “homosexuality”, then maybe your statement might lend some credence in regard to being born gay. Can you prove your were born straight and how? I was the second born of three brothers, I was raised the same way as the other two, yet they are straight and I’m not. Explain, and please, none of that nonsense about overbearing mothers, absentee fathers…..neither of which applied to my parents and no, I didn’t play with dolls either. You’re an idiot and you know absolutely zero about sexual orientation. As soon as you get back to your bible…..you might want to check out http://www.fallwell.com.

]]> By: Missy K. http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-58343 Missy K. Mon, 25 May 2009 13:36:00 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=7524#comment-58343 I have been reading these posts and I am wondering how many of the writers have any kind of military experience. I am in the service now, have been for over a decade. I have met plenty of gay and lesbian servicemembers. DADT does present problems for not only homosexual members but their families as well. As far as using the policy to get out of the service, it isn't nearly as easy as most civilians think. You don't just walk in to your commander's office and say "I'm gay" then sign some papers and go home. Likewise, I have known some members who have told their commands and they were NOT kicked out. There will always be hatred in the military because there are all types of people in the military. But, homo or hetero, all of us are prepared to serve and all of us should be allowed to serve equally and openly. I don't hate my hetero counterparts, I would give my life for them just as they would for me. It's far too easy to stand outside and criticize. How many of you have been to a war zone and experienced the stress and hardships servicemembers endure over and over again? Some of you say we should have more "integrity" and not worry about losing our "job". This isn't a job. You don't just quit. There are no resignations or protests allowed. I don't think a lot of you understand the military lifestyle at all. I have been reading these posts and I am wondering how many of the writers have any kind of military experience. I am in the service now, have been for over a decade. I have met plenty of gay and lesbian servicemembers. DADT does present problems for not only homosexual members but their families as well. As far as using the policy to get out of the service, it isn’t nearly as easy as most civilians think. You don’t just walk in to your commander’s office and say “I’m gay” then sign some papers and go home. Likewise, I have known some members who have told their commands and they were NOT kicked out. There will always be hatred in the military because there are all types of people in the military. But, homo or hetero, all of us are prepared to serve and all of us should be allowed to serve equally and openly. I don’t hate my hetero counterparts, I would give my life for them just as they would for me. It’s far too easy to stand outside and criticize. How many of you have been to a war zone and experienced the stress and hardships servicemembers endure over and over again? Some of you say we should have more “integrity” and not worry about losing our “job”. This isn’t a job. You don’t just quit. There are no resignations or protests allowed. I don’t think a lot of you understand the military lifestyle at all.

]]> By: Robert, NYC http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-58342 Robert, NYC Mon, 25 May 2009 12:40:23 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=7524#comment-58342 Its amazing that DADT suppresses freedom of speech on the part of military leaders who are prohibited from asking about one's sexual orientation. Nobody has addressed that either. What if a fellow soldier, sailor or airforce man or woman were to ask a colleague about his or her sexual orientation, are they too subject to the same prohibition asking that very question? DADT also gives license to gay citizens to commit perjury in any court if they were asked that question. If you have to lie under DADT, then you should also be allowed to lie under oath based on DADT rules. Its amazing that DADT suppresses freedom of speech on the part of military leaders who are prohibited from asking about one’s sexual orientation. Nobody has addressed that either. What if a fellow soldier, sailor or airforce man or woman were to ask a colleague about his or her sexual orientation, are they too subject to the same prohibition asking that very question?

DADT also gives license to gay citizens to commit perjury in any court if they were asked that question. If you have to lie under DADT, then you should also be allowed to lie under oath based on DADT rules.

]]> By: Glenn I http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-58322 Glenn I Sun, 24 May 2009 23:15:59 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=7524#comment-58322 It's an immoral policy as it demands immoral behavior from all involved. You can't follow a moral code and participate. It’s an immoral policy as it demands immoral behavior from all involved. You can’t follow a moral code and participate.

]]> By: Debora http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-58308 Debora Sun, 24 May 2009 14:13:45 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=7524#comment-58308 What is sickening that straight men and women (some married) are saying they are gay/lesbian so they can be dishcharged and get the h**** out of the wars. What a slap in the face to our community. We get used every way possible. What is sickening that straight men and women (some married) are saying they are gay/lesbian so they can be dishcharged and get the h**** out of the wars. What a slap in the face to our community. We get used every way possible.

]]> By: Raymond Daniel-Johnsonkroman http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-58306 Raymond Daniel-Johnsonkroman Sun, 24 May 2009 12:47:03 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=7524#comment-58306 Perhaps if DADT has not been ended within the year, every GLB person in the armed services should resign! Perhaps they should have a "Kiss In" to tell this nation to "Kiss Off" for its inability to grow up as a democratic society that includes all its citizens when it declares "freedom and justice for all." When Mr. Obama invited Rick What's-his-face to lead the inaugural prayer, I said that was a strong indicator of Mr. Obama's true character: He would NOT keep his commitments to bring full equality to all Americans. Gay, lesbian, and bi-sexual soldiers need to leave the military, stop enlisting, and leave the fighting and dying to heterosexuals. Let them have the consequences of their persistent stupidity. Perhaps if DADT has not been ended within the year, every GLB person in the armed services should resign! Perhaps they should have a “Kiss In” to tell this nation to “Kiss Off” for its inability to grow up as a democratic society that includes all its citizens when it declares “freedom and justice for all.” When Mr. Obama invited Rick What’s-his-face to lead the inaugural prayer, I said that was a strong indicator of Mr. Obama’s true character: He would NOT keep his commitments to bring full equality to all Americans. Gay, lesbian, and bi-sexual soldiers need to leave the military, stop enlisting, and leave the fighting and dying to heterosexuals. Let them have the consequences of their persistent stupidity.

]]> By: Morgan http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-58289 Morgan Sun, 24 May 2009 02:22:28 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=7524#comment-58289 I prefer a committed and long term relationship with another man. Until then, the sex can wait. I prefer a committed and long term relationship with another man. Until then, the sex can wait.

]]> By: Morgan http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-58288 Morgan Sun, 24 May 2009 01:36:13 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=7524#comment-58288 "WE are the inheritor of human society". there will be no more such thing as inheriting anything if there is noone left to inherit DUE TO LACK OF HUMAN BREEDING, Breeding is what put us LGBTs here. It's called biology 101, applies to plants, bacteria, viruses, animals and humans. BREED OR PERISH AS A SPECIES. Message to GLBTs don't like hetero breeders? then please do you own breeding or do without the beauty of handsome young men and beautiful young women walking the streets. Want a society one day made up of the last generation ever with the elderly pushing other elderly in wheelchairs, etc? If you don't want that, then create some new human life. “WE are the inheritor of human society”. there will be no more such thing as inheriting anything if there is noone left to inherit DUE TO LACK OF HUMAN BREEDING, Breeding is what put us LGBTs here. It’s called biology 101, applies to plants, bacteria, viruses, animals and humans. BREED OR PERISH AS A SPECIES.

Message to GLBTs don’t like hetero breeders? then please do you own breeding or do without the beauty of handsome young men and beautiful young women walking the streets.

Want a society one day made up of the last generation ever with the elderly pushing other elderly in wheelchairs, etc?

If you don’t want that, then create some new human life.

]]> By: shawn http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-58286 shawn Sun, 24 May 2009 00:01:21 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=7524#comment-58286 RJ "Ligier" is a religious right wing plant. Plain and simple. An agent provocateur. If we simply ignore this little troll he will scurry back into his den. RJ “Ligier” is a religious right wing plant. Plain and simple. An agent provocateur. If we simply ignore this little troll he will scurry back into his den.

]]> By: Bert http://www.365gay.com/blog/duffy-military-ban-is-an-incentive-to-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-58280 Bert Sat, 23 May 2009 21:48:52 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=7524#comment-58280 When using the link given in the article to the Stars & Stripes article, I ended up on the main page of the Stars & Stripe viewer (not at the article itself). After awhile I found the actual article (and would like to save others the time and frustration it took me). The article mentioned is at: http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=62762 As for the topic, I easily understand why many gays & lesbians want to serve our country and I fully support their desire to do so. The 365gay article makes a great case for allowing gays to serve openly using the military own facts, directions, and ethics. As someone who worked with, around, and in secured locations, being open about ones situations is completely necessary to security. It doesn't matter what the situation is for an individual, as long as everyone knows about it. Case in point, I had a friend whose clearance renewal didn't go through because people didn't know his Father was in prison. Once he told everyone the clearance renewal came through in a matter of days. This is one of many reasons why being gay, being into BDSM, multiple partners, etc no longer is grounds for rejecting someone's clearance. The key to a secure USA is being open. On a related point: Facts do NOT matter to many of those who oppose gays in the military. On Countdown with Keith Olbermann this situation came out during the discussion on water boarding. Keith was talking about how the Right will process & handle Eric "mad-cow" Muller saying not only was his water boarding torture, but it was drowning. Bottom line is simple: While facts are important to many they do NOT matter to many others - especially members of the GOP. When using the link given in the article to the Stars & Stripes article, I ended up on the main page of the Stars & Stripe viewer (not at the article itself). After awhile I found the actual article (and would like to save others the time and frustration it took me). The article mentioned is at: http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=62762

As for the topic, I easily understand why many gays & lesbians want to serve our country and I fully support their desire to do so.

The 365gay article makes a great case for allowing gays to serve openly using the military own facts, directions, and ethics.

As someone who worked with, around, and in secured locations, being open about ones situations is completely necessary to security. It doesn’t matter what the situation is for an individual, as long as everyone knows about it. Case in point, I had a friend whose clearance renewal didn’t go through because people didn’t know his Father was in prison. Once he told everyone the clearance renewal came through in a matter of days.

This is one of many reasons why being gay, being into BDSM, multiple partners, etc no longer is grounds for rejecting someone’s clearance. The key to a secure USA is being open.

On a related point: Facts do NOT matter to many of those who oppose gays in the military. On Countdown with Keith Olbermann this situation came out during the discussion on water boarding. Keith was talking about how the Right will process & handle Eric “mad-cow” Muller saying not only was his water boarding torture, but it was drowning. Bottom line is simple: While facts are important to many they do NOT matter to many others – especially members of the GOP.

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