Comments on: Davis: PFOX, Theft, and Tolerance

By: Randy Cragin

Randy Cragin — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 04:22:06 +0000

@Morgan “I will never return to atheism” What? Did you just visit it for awhile, sort of like visiting another country? Seriously, having an atheist view is a full realization you do not return from. Basically put it’s coming to a comprehensive realization that faith based views based on supernatural belief is in fact false. How the hell do you lose that kind of comprehension and go back to a faith based system of belief? In my mind you don’t. Supernatural entities, including god, gods or God are manifestation of our primitive minds and nothing more. I am all for scientific inquiry into a study of brain chemistry proliferating man’s ability to fall subject to these things. I do not feel sorry for people who have faith based beliefs, because in my limited awareness I posit that they are in fact acting naturally. That what exists in the mind of man(in the brain, bio chemical in nature) ascribes for belief in things that are not concrete concepts about reality. In our youth that natural inclination is taken into faith based religion in which it is solidified in the individual as factual. I hope evidence while follow through on this theory in the future. Meanwhile You throw out this inane idea that somehow reflects the people of this article. People who are naturally inclined to be gay, but have consciously chosen to defy nature and live life according to an archaic belief system, which states there can only be one man and one woman. These people do not garner much sympathy either. I’d save that for the person who is truly queer but just has not realized it yet. We’re not to happy with ex-gays because they instill in us a sense of betrayal. They have sided with the opposition. I got lost on PFOX once long enough to see that in reality, it’s a whole bunch of bullshit. Meanwhile I’m giving over to the idea through observation that Christianity in it’s must vulgar of forms is under attack. These people are being persecuted, but I find it just for all those that they have persecuted in the past. I have one word for them to chew on, and it’s not tolerance. Because frankly, these days, I’m not very tolerant of them. The word is inclusion. And should they ascribe to it, making all those included as truly equal, then their sense of persecution will most definitely become lessened. As for those ex-gays, well we need to view them as part of our human family of diversity. And we should not discriminate against them. If I had to write for anti-discrimination. I might go off as such “Based on….Sexual orientation or perceived self sexual identity versus actuation.” This may also apply to some transgendered people whose sexuality is perceived differently than what they actually are. Your gay, straight, not gay, ex-gay, whatever. The thing is how much they reflect us, even with their stolen verbiage. So we have to ask ourselves, when we accept our homosexuality and embrace it for our own happiness and then we reach out to the community at large for tolerance and inclusion. How can we look down on an ex-gay searching through an even more complex maze of identity and self actuation to find their own happiness and then reaching out to the community at large for tolerance and inclusion? I would hope you would say you can’t, while at the same time acknowledging your emotional response as just that, emotional.

By: Lenworth O'neal Poyser

Lenworth O'neal Poyser — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:27:21 +0000

This is by far the CRAZIEST article I’ve ever read on this website. There’s was so many contradictions my head was spinning.

I don’t even know where to begin, and I agree with Sara Bellum, these christians think they’re the most opressed minority, when CLEARLY they’ve been doing the major oppressing of the known world for about 800 years give or take a hundred.

Gee, ever been to a church school, or any evangalical church lately? Christians are surely NOT oppressed, and there surely not starving either. Hate me if you’d like but lots of christians are the greatest oppressors I know.

By: Morgan

Morgan — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 03:20:01 +0000

wyocowboy62,

I will never return to atheism. I respect atheists but your words only strengthen me in my faith.

By: wyocowboy62

wyocowboy62 — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:59:48 +0000

It does not surprise me…x-tianity is built on stealing. If you were to study the gnosticism you would find that it was stolen from the pagans. Everything about Jesus was taken from pagan religions plus there is no evidence that he even existed. To many people don’t study the history…they take it for as it is and don’t bother.

By: Rick365

Rick365 — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:31:30 +0000

As an ex-fetus I demand that right to lifers everywhere fight for my rights.

By: commentor

commentor — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:00:26 +0000

We need to embrace the ex-gays and partner with PFOX on equality legislation. Think about it – they sued for inclusion in non-discrimination laws ! They are a minority ! So are we ! All of us want equality !! Equality in housing, employment, and, yes, marriage !

This victory for PFOX is a victory for all sexual minorities !!

By: bobco85

bobco85 — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:59:56 +0000

Whenever I think of ex-gays, I feel sorry for them. Why do they do it? For acceptance? Just to be respected by their peers and community? It’s just so very sad.

If you know an ex-gay person, tell them that you accept them for who they are and have always been: gay.

The ex-gay movement is the epitome of the self-loathing and hatred that people feel towards their own homosexuality (and it explains why so many people attempt/commit suicide during the ex-gay therapy). If only we could give more support to those considering this heinous act, maybe they’d realize there was nothing wrong with them in the first place.

By: John Middendorff

John Middendorff — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:53:58 +0000

Imitation is the highest form of flattery

By: Draigh Lunara

Draigh Lunara — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:29:52 +0000

I think this is on the verge of plagiarism, using our own language to support themselves. It is truly amazing that they are calling for tolerance and acceptance for themselves yet deny the same for those who actually gave them birth. Yes, gave them birth because if they weren’t gay to begin with, then they could not end up as ex-gay.
Perhaps they should check into the definition of tolerance and then take that as a lesson from Webster!
May Goddess Bless Those Who Learn and Grow!
Blessed Be,
Rev. Draigh Lunara

By: Jessica K

Jessica K — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:21:42 +0000

Wait a minute. They have married these so called ex-gays to straight people and also some ex-gay men to some ex-gay women in the past and present. Why then now call them “still gay but ex-gay”? They want to have their cake and eat it too.