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	<title>Comments on: Withers: Prop 8, race, and an apology that is never going to come</title>
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		<title>By: m</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/112608-prop-8-race-and-polls/comment-page-16/#comment-33977</link>
		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the yes on prop 8 campaign didn&#039;t deem themselves above lobby communities of color for their votes, i wonder why the no on 8 crowd did. oh yeah! that&#039;s because they were ignoring people of people of color gay and straight and making asinine assumptions about what constitutes a black person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the yes on prop 8 campaign didn&#8217;t deem themselves above lobby communities of color for their votes, i wonder why the no on 8 crowd did. oh yeah! that&#8217;s because they were ignoring people of people of color gay and straight and making asinine assumptions about what constitutes a black person.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/112608-prop-8-race-and-polls/comment-page-16/#comment-33975</link>
		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the yes on 8 people didn&#039;t deem themselves too good to specifically lobby communities with people of color, why couldn&#039;t the no on 8 people do it? oh yeah, that&#039;s right! they didn&#039;t think they would have to! and you see how THAT thinking turned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the yes on 8 people didn&#8217;t deem themselves too good to specifically lobby communities with people of color, why couldn&#8217;t the no on 8 people do it? oh yeah, that&#8217;s right! they didn&#8217;t think they would have to! and you see how THAT thinking turned out.</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/112608-prop-8-race-and-polls/comment-page-16/#comment-33974</link>
		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wayne- SHUT THE [HECK] UP. the lgbt community CONSISTENTLY alienates black lgbts, and now they&#039;re doing it to the greater black community. you think pointing your finger and sitting high up on your white privilege racist horse is going to help whatever the [heck] you think you&#039;re trying to do? you don&#039;t have a [freaking] leg to stand on. YOU&#039;RE A RACIST. IT&#039;S AS PLAIN AS DAY and you&#039;re using incorrect exit polls from cnn to give you license to air out your racist thoughts. GO [SCREW] YOURSELF- backwards. i feel absolutely no kinship with white gays like you and the organizations that cater to the likes of you and never question your oblivious racist white privilege. when was the last time the human rights campaign or glaad worked with fierce or the audre lorde project? gave them funding? discussed their efforts? NEVER. HELL, WHY DID THOSE ORGANIZATIONS NEED TO BE CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE, ALONG WITH BLACK PRIDES ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY? because of the racist alienation of people of color WITHIN the lgbt community that has never openly been addressed until this moment.

if white gays barely acknowledge black gays within the goddamned lgbt community, how did they appeal in their campaign against prop 8 to black people&#039;s better judgement? OH YEAH, that&#039;s right, they didn&#039;t! there wasn&#039;t any outreach, AT ALL, to people of color. all the ads had white faces...yet again the pulbic relations face of &quot;gay&quot; was painted &quot;white&quot;. why do i say you have to appeal to black people&#039;s better judgement? because black people ARE NOT SOLELY DEFINED BY CIVIL RIGHTS, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, OR YOUR WARPED IDEA OF WHAT IT IS TO BE BLACK. black people ARE NOT A MONOLITHIC GROUP OF PEOPLE, defined by one thought or theme, we are a VARIED people, like white people, latino people, asian people, etc. this shit should be common sense. take off your white privilege la-di-da everyone is going to agree with my white male self rose colored glasses and see the world for WHAT IT IS, and not WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE. 

some black people are religious zealots and some are just plain homophobic. to expect all black people to never discriminate against others is ridiculous, because if i went by THAT logic i would never expect TO ENCOUNTER RACIST GAYS LIKE YOURSELF, and i refuse to be oblivious (like you) enough to do that. whenever you want something in THIS country you have to lobby and campaign for it, and the no on 8 people SHOULD HAVE MADE THEIR MESSAGE RESONATE WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR BY INCLUDING PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THEIR CAMPAIGN. the end.

homophobia needs to be addressed in the black community, but it also needs to be addressed in the white community, and every other community in this country. but racism damn sure needs to be addressed in the gay community. so to WAYNE AND EVERY OTHER RACIST GAY PERSON on this website: please, kindly take all those fingers you&#039;re pointing at blacks, lgbt and straight, put them in your mouths and choke on them. not a damn one of y&#039;all has a leg to stand on until you deal with your racist issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wayne- SHUT THE [HECK] UP. the lgbt community CONSISTENTLY alienates black lgbts, and now they&#8217;re doing it to the greater black community. you think pointing your finger and sitting high up on your white privilege racist horse is going to help whatever the [heck] you think you&#8217;re trying to do? you don&#8217;t have a [freaking] leg to stand on. YOU&#8217;RE A RACIST. IT&#8217;S AS PLAIN AS DAY and you&#8217;re using incorrect exit polls from cnn to give you license to air out your racist thoughts. GO [SCREW] YOURSELF- backwards. i feel absolutely no kinship with white gays like you and the organizations that cater to the likes of you and never question your oblivious racist white privilege. when was the last time the human rights campaign or glaad worked with fierce or the audre lorde project? gave them funding? discussed their efforts? NEVER. HELL, WHY DID THOSE ORGANIZATIONS NEED TO BE CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE, ALONG WITH BLACK PRIDES ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY? because of the racist alienation of people of color WITHIN the lgbt community that has never openly been addressed until this moment.</p>
<p>if white gays barely acknowledge black gays within the goddamned lgbt community, how did they appeal in their campaign against prop 8 to black people&#8217;s better judgement? OH YEAH, that&#8217;s right, they didn&#8217;t! there wasn&#8217;t any outreach, AT ALL, to people of color. all the ads had white faces&#8230;yet again the pulbic relations face of &#8220;gay&#8221; was painted &#8220;white&#8221;. why do i say you have to appeal to black people&#8217;s better judgement? because black people ARE NOT SOLELY DEFINED BY CIVIL RIGHTS, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, OR YOUR WARPED IDEA OF WHAT IT IS TO BE BLACK. black people ARE NOT A MONOLITHIC GROUP OF PEOPLE, defined by one thought or theme, we are a VARIED people, like white people, latino people, asian people, etc. this shit should be common sense. take off your white privilege la-di-da everyone is going to agree with my white male self rose colored glasses and see the world for WHAT IT IS, and not WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE. </p>
<p>some black people are religious zealots and some are just plain homophobic. to expect all black people to never discriminate against others is ridiculous, because if i went by THAT logic i would never expect TO ENCOUNTER RACIST GAYS LIKE YOURSELF, and i refuse to be oblivious (like you) enough to do that. whenever you want something in THIS country you have to lobby and campaign for it, and the no on 8 people SHOULD HAVE MADE THEIR MESSAGE RESONATE WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR BY INCLUDING PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THEIR CAMPAIGN. the end.</p>
<p>homophobia needs to be addressed in the black community, but it also needs to be addressed in the white community, and every other community in this country. but racism damn sure needs to be addressed in the gay community. so to WAYNE AND EVERY OTHER RACIST GAY PERSON on this website: please, kindly take all those fingers you&#8217;re pointing at blacks, lgbt and straight, put them in your mouths and choke on them. not a damn one of y&#8217;all has a leg to stand on until you deal with your racist issues.</p>
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		<title>By: allihavetosay</title>
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		<dc:creator>allihavetosay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweetheart, I think you don&#039;t understand how racism works when you say things like why didn&#039;t the Black G&amp;L community do anything. You sound like a moron. You need to do some anti-racist work and mabe you&#039;ll figure this one out.Part of White privliege is that even when all the other people are screaming, YOU get the microphone and the camera pointed at you b/c YOU&#039;re &quot;more credible,&quot; you moron.
[Why else would a man with not 1, but 2!!!! published AUTObiographies(Obama) consistently be framed as &quot;yeah, but who is he REALLY&quot; and people bought it? Stop accusing folk of Color for their own victimization/ silencing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweetheart, I think you don&#8217;t understand how racism works when you say things like why didn&#8217;t the Black G&amp;L community do anything. You sound like a moron. You need to do some anti-racist work and mabe you&#8217;ll figure this one out.Part of White privliege is that even when all the other people are screaming, YOU get the microphone and the camera pointed at you b/c YOU&#8217;re &#8220;more credible,&#8221; you moron.<br />
[Why else would a man with not 1, but 2!!!! published AUTObiographies(Obama) consistently be framed as &#8220;yeah, but who is he REALLY&#8221; and people bought it? Stop accusing folk of Color for their own victimization/ silencing.</p>
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		<title>By: allihavetosay</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/112608-prop-8-race-and-polls/comment-page-16/#comment-33684</link>
		<dc:creator>allihavetosay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html</description>
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		<title>By: James Withers</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/112608-prop-8-race-and-polls/comment-page-16/#comment-33528</link>
		<dc:creator>James Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne,

&quot;Don’t sweat the small stuff James.&quot;

You challenge a fellow commentator to a boxing match and yet tell me not to sweat the small stuff?!?!?! That is funny!! :-)

Sincerely,

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne,</p>
<p>&#8220;Don’t sweat the small stuff James.&#8221;</p>
<p>You challenge a fellow commentator to a boxing match and yet tell me not to sweat the small stuff?!?!?! That is funny!! <img src='http://www.365gay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/112608-prop-8-race-and-polls/comment-page-16/#comment-33271</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was with my Black Family over the holiday.

I had a long conversation with my very Christian cousin about issues of sexuality and gender identity.  

I went to church with her and her young daughters to watch them sing in the youth choir. 

I stayed through the service.  The sermon was about how negative people impact your thinking. The pastor spoke of how we should look forward and work toward a better day here on earth. 

I had a wonderful time on all fronts.

Yes, there is homophobia in the Black Community. Some of you continue to ignore that admission on every single post Mr. Wither&#039;s makes. 

There is also homophobia in the white, latin, asian...  you get the point. 

None of them are right. 

I say again that there&#039;s a level of racism in the Gay community that some won&#039;t acknowledge that Black people were soley responsible for Prop 8 and similar propositions passing across our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was with my Black Family over the holiday.</p>
<p>I had a long conversation with my very Christian cousin about issues of sexuality and gender identity.  </p>
<p>I went to church with her and her young daughters to watch them sing in the youth choir. </p>
<p>I stayed through the service.  The sermon was about how negative people impact your thinking. The pastor spoke of how we should look forward and work toward a better day here on earth. </p>
<p>I had a wonderful time on all fronts.</p>
<p>Yes, there is homophobia in the Black Community. Some of you continue to ignore that admission on every single post Mr. Wither&#8217;s makes. </p>
<p>There is also homophobia in the white, latin, asian&#8230;  you get the point. </p>
<p>None of them are right. </p>
<p>I say again that there&#8217;s a level of racism in the Gay community that some won&#8217;t acknowledge that Black people were soley responsible for Prop 8 and similar propositions passing across our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, let&#039;s get this nailed down.  Jeff Barea you say you are &quot;a member of the born upper class calls&quot; who even looks down on the &quot;nouveau riche&quot; yet you attended NYU and you work as an accountant? Strange I didn&#039;t know the accounting field was so popular with the born upper class.  Oh but wait, now you are saying that you are a Dancer. So you are wealthy well bred accountant / dancer?

Do you believe your own B.S. or do you just hope others do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, let&#8217;s get this nailed down.  Jeff Barea you say you are &#8220;a member of the born upper class calls&#8221; who even looks down on the &#8220;nouveau riche&#8221; yet you attended NYU and you work as an accountant? Strange I didn&#8217;t know the accounting field was so popular with the born upper class.  Oh but wait, now you are saying that you are a Dancer. So you are wealthy well bred accountant / dancer?</p>
<p>Do you believe your own B.S. or do you just hope others do?</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/112608-prop-8-race-and-polls/comment-page-16/#comment-33173</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff Barea keeps telling lies hoping someone will believe him.  You are &quot;born of the upper class&quot; yet you fail to mention any prep schools (something true blue bloods always brag on) and you attended NYU?  And you work as an accountant?  

You are a liar and a poser and not even a very good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Barea keeps telling lies hoping someone will believe him.  You are &#8220;born of the upper class&#8221; yet you fail to mention any prep schools (something true blue bloods always brag on) and you attended NYU?  And you work as an accountant?  </p>
<p>You are a liar and a poser and not even a very good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Barea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Barea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne (probably Besen):

I have thus far only claimed to have attended New York University.  Not a state school by any measure.

If you could read, you would notice my lawsuit is about the unconstitutional dispersion of student activity fees - not student loans.

I can honestly declare that I have never been sued over student loans.

Repeating lies and insulting and cursing just make you a very small minded person.

I am dancer.  I will dance.  So GTFU if you desire.  I will be here everytime you return. *Smiles*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne (probably Besen):</p>
<p>I have thus far only claimed to have attended New York University.  Not a state school by any measure.</p>
<p>If you could read, you would notice my lawsuit is about the unconstitutional dispersion of student activity fees &#8211; not student loans.</p>
<p>I can honestly declare that I have never been sued over student loans.</p>
<p>Repeating lies and insulting and cursing just make you a very small minded person.</p>
<p>I am dancer.  I will dance.  So GTFU if you desire.  I will be here everytime you return. *Smiles*</p>
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