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Withers: What’s next after Prop 8 week-end?

By James Withers, contributing editor, 365Gay Blog 11.17.2008 1:11pm EST

Protests in a latino community in Los Angeles before the November 4th vote.

The question I’ve been asking all week-end is what now. After the Prop 8 protests this Saturday, where do we go from here? What’s next?

Wish I knew or even had a idea that would be interesting. I know what we need to stay away from. Any whiff of religious intolerance will destroy any civil rights argument made for gay marriage. There is no chasm between being respectful toward faith  and asserting the right to civil marriage. That should be the base for anything going forward.

The other thing important in our next move is that the race genie is out of the bottle when it comes to sexuality. The willingness to blame black and brown voters for Proposition 8’s passage belied any vision of the “gay community.” Well a community that’s diverse.

Aside from those two small ideas, I’m still at a lost of what should follow. What do you think?


Comments (44)
  • Ted Said: November 17th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
    • I’m curious as to what you mean by “tolerance” and “respect for faith”. Does that mean immunity from criticism?

      Somehow we’ve been sold this bill of goods that thoughtful critique of religious beliefs that support injustice is the same as attacking the humanity of the adherents of those beliefs. This results in a double standard. Groups can engage in political action but declare that discourse around their arguments is unfair because it’s intolerant of their religion. What other sort of philosophy driving political activity gets that kind of kid-gloves treatment? And we’re buying right into it.

      Some religious communities act upon their conclusion that their faith directs them to oppress gay people. I reserve the right to criticize ideas (and religions are nothing if not sets of ideas) that are used to harm me. It’s too bad if that’s unpalatable. It won’t help us to appease our oppressors.

      We should be careful not to engage in ad hominem attacks with Mormons, Catholics or anyone else. Engagement on ideology is entirely legitimate.

  • Marc Said: November 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
    • You guys should be leading the way on this! Urge your readers to support the initiatives at http://www.jointheimpact.org.

      As for the racism issue, we need to move foward. Yes some of us initially messed up, but I didn’t see anyone blaming brown and black people at Saturday’s rally in Philadelphia. 5,000 people of every age and every shade with a simple, single message of unity and equality was an expression of something bigger than “now what?”

      Obama concluded his election speech saying “Out of many we are one”. Saturday, I think gay America realized that this isn’t just a campaign cliche, but actually means something.

      Saturday was a big step in challenging our racist demons and acknowledging a singular message. You guys need to do your part and cover this movement in detail. When you right articles that say “now what? any ideas” you’re advancing the idea that we’re disorganized and clueless. Do your part. Something big is about to happen and we need the gay press to help lead the way.

  • Cindy Said: November 17th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
    • I’m rather shocked at this post by James Withers. I agree wholeheartedly with Ted’s comment about religion, and Marc’s got the web site of jointheimpact.com which already has future events listed.

      Remind me, why do I come to this site for news, again?

  • Jonathan Said: November 17th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
    • I had the opportunity to attend the rally in Phoenix this weekend. I was impressed by the gathering, but agree that visibility is only one prong on the fork we need to have and eat our collective cake. Here are some proposals for next steps:

      1) Pull from the list of names/email addresses/phone numbers that were collected during the rallys and create a nationwide “base” list of supporters. This list can be used to disseminate information, request funding and supply suggested directives for future actions.

      2) Select more engaged individuals from the list to be the State/District/Local representatives for a Nationwide campaign for our rights.

      3) Using the aformentioned list and individuals, distribute State-by-State lists of both suppportive and non-supportive legistlative members. Include addresses for both and phone numbers for non-supportive members. Include suggested phone and letter scripting for communicating to the congress/etc. regarding our displeasure regarding their stance.

      4) Create readily copied emails that can be distributed to the “base” and forwarded out to their friends and families indicating their support for our causes.

      5) Develop lists of support networks for mini-rallys - if the national campaign hear’s about a business/church/etc. that is against our cause for equal rights, add that entity to the list and periodically set up small protests.

      6) Communicate, communicate, communicate. The “base” will be more willing to interact if they are informed of the positive outcomes of their work. Additionally, they will be more willing to submit their own ideas.

      7) MAKE SURE that we reach out to all ages and races, using our older members to aid with their wisdom and our racially diverse brethren to stretch our conversation into groups that are more insulated from sexually pluralistic ideologies.

      These are just some ideas for our next steps…anyone else have ideas?

  • Cindy Said: November 17th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
  • Wayne Said: November 17th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
    • Trying to ignore the fact that 70% of the African American community in California voted Yes on Prop 8 my be the politically correct thing to do, but it does nothing to solve the problem. And there is a problem with anti-gay bigotry within the African American community, their vote reflects that. But that doesn’t mean we should scapegoat their community as the main reason for Prop 8’s passage, but we can’t ignore the problem either. Anti gay bigotry both cultural and religious (Mormon, Christian, etc) has to be spoken out against if we are to ever achieve equality.

  • Michelle Said: November 17th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
    • I really wonder if the 70% thing is just unique to CA…because y’all are so segregated there in your communities. Black people were cheering us in Charleston, SC.

      But anyway, Join The Impact is where it’s at. Dec. 10 Day Without a Gay…we’re going to use the day to do volunteer charity work.

  • Sean Said: November 17th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
    • Where should we go from here?

      1. Members of existing GLBT/LGBT/LGBTQ community groups should individually revist the missions of those groups and demand changes in mission, strategy, and tactics. It is the membership who should direct their leadership better on what is important. If there is no change, money and commitment should be withdrawn.

      2. GLBT/LGBT/LGBTQ community groups should look internally and examine how are they interacting with membership. If they are setting agendas without membership input but taking membership $$$ as their soul tool of outreach, then that needs to change. An soldier in the field is more valuable than a single $ in a bank account paying for a paper-born strategy.

      3. Protests must continue. Be it bi-weekly or bi-monthly or state by state, protests must continue. The “Call In Gay” idea is a start, but civil disobedience and assembly are our tools toward recognition.

      4. The general public and not GLBT/LGBT/LGBTQ community groups should be the public face of this movement to the political establishment. Coordinated phone calls/emails/letters to all legislators need to be continued.

      5. A national media campaign must be launched to introduce America to gay families. Gay families can be single people, couples, and couples with children. The emphasis must be “we are just like you…but I am gay.” A gay agenda? Definitely! But we MUST personally, one-on-one show Americans who we are and not be grouped into one large blob. These are strictly documentary style ads that tell a short story only with the kicker at the end saying “…and I’m an American just like you.” No celebrities allowed. Diversity in race, creed, and gender should be encouraged.

      6. The MCC and Unitarian churches as well as Jewish and Islamic institutions favorable to our cause should be assisted in aquiring fundraising by our community. Our community is so anti-religion at times, because of past experience. Our community as a whole should not just develop relations with supportive religious institutions, we should invest in them also either as a group or as individuals.

      7. Membership must hold political and community leadership accountable. If a politician supports our cause, individuals should donate to them directly and not through clearinghouses like HRC or the Task Force. Groups should be pushing that as well. Its quicker and more effective. Politicians who are not agreeing with us or on the fence about civil unions vs civil marriages should feel the sting of no contributions or support.

      8. Every year, in every state regardless of statue or consitutional amendment, both a civil unions bill and a civil marriage bill must be on the docket. We need to force them to choose with either way a win for our community. The only difference in the bills will be the title only. Our families deserve and need the rights now. We just create riders like in New Jersey which forced a review of civil unions after 2 years to see the implications of a two parallel tracts. It is noble to charge the windmill and fail, but failing keeps millions of families unprotected in some cases because of the word marriage vs civil union. We shouldn’t be so wedded to wording and more wedded to actual rights. In addition, if civil unions is the path chosen we immediately file suit to challenge separate but equal until its done.

      9. Lobby every governor or legsilature to enforce the “full faith and credit” clause of the Constitution.

      10. Pass ENDA and repeal DOMA. If ENDA can’t be passed because of transgender rights, compromise and move on but don’t abandon the issue. Keep pushing until its done. But if somethign can be obtained one year we must grab it. Again, too many individuals and families are without protection daily. Building on the existing legislation and creating a precedent in actual law helps us down the road in later arguments.

      How does that do for a start?

  • Sean Said: November 17th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
    • …and to add on…

      This outlet and others need to stop focusing on New York City and California gay communities and report on the communities in the other 48 states. If I have to read one more article about West Hollywood events when I live in Baltimore, I think I will scream! Too many times the other 48 states are ignored until a violent action happens in that state. Massachusetts and COnnecticut HAVE gay marriage and other states have various other kinds of gay rights that are only mentioned as they are passed but there is no indepth “cover story” on how it is working or vignettes of families working on it. In addition, can we stop emphasizing pop culture Los Angeles and NYC style and expand past the comfort zone of where people contributing to this site live. How about also this site looking at all our gay organizations and investigating their effectiveness rather than just publishing their press release word for word. And if a celebrity announces they are gay friendly, this does not qualify them to be a spokesman for me or indicate they should immediately have the cover page of the next Advocate.

  • Wayne Said: November 17th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
    • In New York I think we should concentrate on getting Ruben Diaz and the rest of the Democrats in line to pass gay marriage here. I was very impressed with Congressman Anthony Weiner’s call to pass gay marriage in New York at the New York rally on Saturday.

  • Michelle Said: November 17th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
    • I agree with Sean. We need a 50 state strategy. California, being as large as it is, does not even have the highest percentage of gays statewide.

      I never felt so alone in 2006 when the marriage ban passed in SC. As far as the gay community at large was concerned, we were just a lost cause. And I get that it’s a tough battle in conservative states, but we still have to try to narrow the margins. We can do this. We just have to narrow the margins enough so that the Supreme Court start reviewing our cases.

      We need to be visible in every single state.

      And, I don’t know about anyone else, but the DNC and their candidates are not getting another friggin dime of my money until they embrace gay marriage. They’ll only support they’ll get is my vote…not money, not time.

      And I so do not care about celebrity endorsements. I don’t evwn think gay celebrities are really that helpful…because frankly, most of them live in a bubble

  • David Said: November 17th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
    • “I’m curious as to what you mean by “tolerance” and “respect for faith”. Does that mean immunity from criticism?”

      Criticism does not include picketing churches or businesses and demanding that people explain why they chose to vote in the way the did. I would certainly not want to be “harassed” for exercising my right to vote as I chose.

  • James Withers Said: November 17th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
    • Cindy,

      Can you be a bit more specific about what shocks you about the post?

      Ted,

      No one is immune from critique and I did not suggest that thoughtful critique is hateful. However, I do think that making silly attacks hurts the cause.

      Sincerely,

      James

  • Art Said: November 17th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
    • As I have posted to some yahoo groups (outforimmigration and Loveexilescanada), I believe that Obama reached out to the gay community at just about all of his speeches. He may not believe in gay marriage, but what is the difference if it is called a civil union, AS LONG AS WE GET FULL FEDERAL BENEFITS.
      I also stated that we, as a community, have to come together… once and for all.
      I suggested that if Mr. Obama does nothing by April (still within his first 100 days) that we plan a MILLION GAY WALK to Washington DC. He got our votes, now it is time for gayback (payback).
      Ted Kennedy is back on the floor today. That is also a good sign.
      What do you all think?????

  • Greg Said: November 17th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
    • I agree 100% with Ted.

      I have respect for a country that has a constitution that allows people to believe whatever they want. I have no respect for the beliefs of religious people, nor do I see any reason why I should. And when those beliefs support organizations that do harm or instruct their members to do harm, then I have the right and the moral obligation to speak out against what they’re doing.