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	<title>Comments on: Withers: Prop 8 and race: round dos</title>
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		<title>By: Mercedes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercedes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I was most upset because I believed that the Democratic Party shared a vision of Equality for all. It was surprising to me on the one hand that people of color who supported prop 8 have asked for equality for themselves but, mostly due to religious influences, decided to deny it to another minority. Being a hispanic myself I thought that was very sad and disappointing.

That said, I want to define my own humanity rather than let it be defined by my disappointment in other people. Today, I have decided that it is okay to want Equality for people (white, black,hipanic, republican, religious or purple) even if they don&#039;t want it for me. Time to dust off and move forward with love in my heart and a renewed passion for justice focusing my efforts now on LGBT equality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I was most upset because I believed that the Democratic Party shared a vision of Equality for all. It was surprising to me on the one hand that people of color who supported prop 8 have asked for equality for themselves but, mostly due to religious influences, decided to deny it to another minority. Being a hispanic myself I thought that was very sad and disappointing.</p>
<p>That said, I want to define my own humanity rather than let it be defined by my disappointment in other people. Today, I have decided that it is okay to want Equality for people (white, black,hipanic, republican, religious or purple) even if they don&#8217;t want it for me. Time to dust off and move forward with love in my heart and a renewed passion for justice focusing my efforts now on LGBT equality.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn’t intend to write a comment that amounts to an essay, which I generally tend to find excessive and even abusive. But I’ve been reading these comments for days on the discussion of race in the Prop 8 vote, and I think there’s a political perspective here that could be dangerous for all U.S. gays and racial/ethnic minorities to miss.

A cornerstone of the strategy to build Republican dominance in the last half-century started with Nixon&#039;s Southern Strategy and (for the time being) ended with Karl Rove&#039;s efforts to restructure the American electorate. A key element of Rove&#039;s strategy was to build alliances between black and white evangelical churches and their congregations, forging unlikely alliances on the basis of fundamentalist religious ideology. Rove smiled and hoped that blacks would forget that white evangelical churches had worked hard to deny blacks their civil rights for a century in the South (to the extent that the Southern Baptist Convention issued a public apology to blacks on June 20, 1995 for bigotry and discrimination).

Some of the discourse that started in the black church on gay marriage was, in part, aided (and perhaps installed) by white evangelicals with the larger political purpose of peeling blacks away from the Democratic party. This isn&#039;t to let black religious leaders off the hook for buying into bigotry. But they had a lot of cynical help from white Republicans eager to stoke black religious anxiety for their own ends.

For a Republican party in disarray, efforts to regroup and, yes, to divide and conquer Democrats (like they&#039;ve done before) are today’s singular focus. Don&#039;t think they wouldn&#039;t love to recast the Prop 8 vote as blacks against gays. In fact, I’m sure they would find the whole gay/black Prop 8 discussion absolutely delicious.

To be clear: this is &quot;Christian&quot; conservatives hard at work. Libertarian-style Republicans have very little in common with this ilk. In fact, Christian conservatives, in their efforts to fracture the Democratic party and the larger American electorate, effectively fractured their own Republican party as evidenced in the last two election cycles. Prominent Christian conservatives like Marilyn Musgrave were booted from office, and the Republican party has been spectacularly reduced once again to the minority party for the conceivable future. They’ve even managed to fracture religious communities; millions of Christians support gay marriage or, at the very least, are horrified by some of the hatred spewing from some evangelicals. Karma strikes. But don’t think the Christian conservatives aren’t hatching ways to return to dominance not only within the Republican party but in American politics as a whole. They are already framing the Prop 8 vote as proof that evangelical principles are still guiding forces in shaping politics – and in highlighting differences between communities. 

I understand the crushing hurt that the Prop 8 vote has leveled on the California (and, indeed, the national) gay community. For most of my life, I lived in the South where in most places, gays can still be fired from jobs and kicked out of housing purely on the basis of sexual orientation. While Californian gays were stripped of their civil right of marriage (but still retain something akin to civil unions – cold comfort), Arkansan gays in the same election were stripped of the right to be foster or adoptive parents. This isn’t to dismiss the hurt that Californian gays feel over being deprived of what is a fundamental right, but rather to say that gays everywhere understand your pain through the prism of being denied even more basic rights like being able to adopt children or hold down a job. By the way, a majority of blacks in Arkansas voted AGAINST the proposition there to deny gays (and all unmarried couples) the right to be foster or adoptive parents. This vastly complicates any argument that pits blacks against gays in the gay civil rights movement, as does support for gay marriage by many prominent black politicians and religious figures.

When your basic rights are taken away, it’s tempting to single out hypocrisy in one group or another. It hurts that a majority of black voters in California voted to strip away our rights to be families at the very moment a plurality of Americans elected the nation’s first black president in our 221 year history, and focusing on that irony might feel like an attractive salve for our wounds. When you discover that ANYONE is ELIGIBLE to discriminate, it’s easy to turn to righteous indignation.

Please, don’t give in to that temptation. It will bring us all down, and it misses the larger picture.

The larger picture is that there will always be bigotry in oppressed groups. White gays have discriminated against blacks, blacks against Latinos, Latinos against Asians. The larger picture is whether we decide to heal those divides, or allow them to reduce us to nervously scrambling for the crumbs left at the table for us by oppressive majorities (like Christian conservatives).

The larger picture is that gays need blacks, just as blacks need gays. And, if you’re black AND gay, you need both of us, and we certainly need you. In the ongoing civil rights struggles (with an “s”) we cannot afford to abandon any community that might be reeling from the same overall bigotry that has hurt us.

The larger picture Is that things are going our way. A majority of Americans support some sort of legal recognition for gay couples giving us ALL the rights of marriage, whether or not they support it being called “marriage.” And this isn’t just nationally. In my travels throughout Africa and South America, I see attitudes changing there as well. A lot of this is an artifact of demographics: anti-gay forces are, quite literally, aging out, and the younger generation finds it less and less tenable to deny rights to people on the basis of sexual orientation. But attitudes are changing among all age groups.

The larger picture is that whether we get civil rights through court, legislation, or even popular referendum, we are getting them. But regardless of whether we go to court or congress, we have to continue changing hearts and minds. Telliing our stories has proven to be the most effective way to do this. There’s no denying it: the more visible we’ve become over the years, the more public sentiment has gone our way. Sure, a slim majority of Americans are against gay marriage, but only a sliver of the American electorate now supports firing someone or kicking them out of their home simply for being gay. And public opinion in Massachusetts and Connecticut supports keeping gay marriage there. Twenty years ago, I would have never thought that possible.

So rather than sniping at each other in a manufactured argument over whether blacks cost gays the right to marry in California, start inviting your black (and white, and Asian, and Latino, and even conservative Christian) neighbors over for dinner, or to your children’s birthday parties. Work with them in causes you mutually support, like alleviating poverty, improving health care or increasing educational opportunities. The pundits talk about “ground games” in politics, and whether we like it or not, our personal stories are simply the biggest ground game out there. And, don’t forget, we’ve lived long enough to see the nation’s first black president, and gay marriage legal in two states (MA &amp; CT -- and civil unions in three, NJ, NH &amp; VT). Whether it’s in our living room or at the ballot box, over time we’ll see more and more of our neighbors standing with us rather than against us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t intend to write a comment that amounts to an essay, which I generally tend to find excessive and even abusive. But I’ve been reading these comments for days on the discussion of race in the Prop 8 vote, and I think there’s a political perspective here that could be dangerous for all U.S. gays and racial/ethnic minorities to miss.</p>
<p>A cornerstone of the strategy to build Republican dominance in the last half-century started with Nixon&#8217;s Southern Strategy and (for the time being) ended with Karl Rove&#8217;s efforts to restructure the American electorate. A key element of Rove&#8217;s strategy was to build alliances between black and white evangelical churches and their congregations, forging unlikely alliances on the basis of fundamentalist religious ideology. Rove smiled and hoped that blacks would forget that white evangelical churches had worked hard to deny blacks their civil rights for a century in the South (to the extent that the Southern Baptist Convention issued a public apology to blacks on June 20, 1995 for bigotry and discrimination).</p>
<p>Some of the discourse that started in the black church on gay marriage was, in part, aided (and perhaps installed) by white evangelicals with the larger political purpose of peeling blacks away from the Democratic party. This isn&#8217;t to let black religious leaders off the hook for buying into bigotry. But they had a lot of cynical help from white Republicans eager to stoke black religious anxiety for their own ends.</p>
<p>For a Republican party in disarray, efforts to regroup and, yes, to divide and conquer Democrats (like they&#8217;ve done before) are today’s singular focus. Don&#8217;t think they wouldn&#8217;t love to recast the Prop 8 vote as blacks against gays. In fact, I’m sure they would find the whole gay/black Prop 8 discussion absolutely delicious.</p>
<p>To be clear: this is &#8220;Christian&#8221; conservatives hard at work. Libertarian-style Republicans have very little in common with this ilk. In fact, Christian conservatives, in their efforts to fracture the Democratic party and the larger American electorate, effectively fractured their own Republican party as evidenced in the last two election cycles. Prominent Christian conservatives like Marilyn Musgrave were booted from office, and the Republican party has been spectacularly reduced once again to the minority party for the conceivable future. They’ve even managed to fracture religious communities; millions of Christians support gay marriage or, at the very least, are horrified by some of the hatred spewing from some evangelicals. Karma strikes. But don’t think the Christian conservatives aren’t hatching ways to return to dominance not only within the Republican party but in American politics as a whole. They are already framing the Prop 8 vote as proof that evangelical principles are still guiding forces in shaping politics – and in highlighting differences between communities. </p>
<p>I understand the crushing hurt that the Prop 8 vote has leveled on the California (and, indeed, the national) gay community. For most of my life, I lived in the South where in most places, gays can still be fired from jobs and kicked out of housing purely on the basis of sexual orientation. While Californian gays were stripped of their civil right of marriage (but still retain something akin to civil unions – cold comfort), Arkansan gays in the same election were stripped of the right to be foster or adoptive parents. This isn’t to dismiss the hurt that Californian gays feel over being deprived of what is a fundamental right, but rather to say that gays everywhere understand your pain through the prism of being denied even more basic rights like being able to adopt children or hold down a job. By the way, a majority of blacks in Arkansas voted AGAINST the proposition there to deny gays (and all unmarried couples) the right to be foster or adoptive parents. This vastly complicates any argument that pits blacks against gays in the gay civil rights movement, as does support for gay marriage by many prominent black politicians and religious figures.</p>
<p>When your basic rights are taken away, it’s tempting to single out hypocrisy in one group or another. It hurts that a majority of black voters in California voted to strip away our rights to be families at the very moment a plurality of Americans elected the nation’s first black president in our 221 year history, and focusing on that irony might feel like an attractive salve for our wounds. When you discover that ANYONE is ELIGIBLE to discriminate, it’s easy to turn to righteous indignation.</p>
<p>Please, don’t give in to that temptation. It will bring us all down, and it misses the larger picture.</p>
<p>The larger picture is that there will always be bigotry in oppressed groups. White gays have discriminated against blacks, blacks against Latinos, Latinos against Asians. The larger picture is whether we decide to heal those divides, or allow them to reduce us to nervously scrambling for the crumbs left at the table for us by oppressive majorities (like Christian conservatives).</p>
<p>The larger picture is that gays need blacks, just as blacks need gays. And, if you’re black AND gay, you need both of us, and we certainly need you. In the ongoing civil rights struggles (with an “s”) we cannot afford to abandon any community that might be reeling from the same overall bigotry that has hurt us.</p>
<p>The larger picture Is that things are going our way. A majority of Americans support some sort of legal recognition for gay couples giving us ALL the rights of marriage, whether or not they support it being called “marriage.” And this isn’t just nationally. In my travels throughout Africa and South America, I see attitudes changing there as well. A lot of this is an artifact of demographics: anti-gay forces are, quite literally, aging out, and the younger generation finds it less and less tenable to deny rights to people on the basis of sexual orientation. But attitudes are changing among all age groups.</p>
<p>The larger picture is that whether we get civil rights through court, legislation, or even popular referendum, we are getting them. But regardless of whether we go to court or congress, we have to continue changing hearts and minds. Telliing our stories has proven to be the most effective way to do this. There’s no denying it: the more visible we’ve become over the years, the more public sentiment has gone our way. Sure, a slim majority of Americans are against gay marriage, but only a sliver of the American electorate now supports firing someone or kicking them out of their home simply for being gay. And public opinion in Massachusetts and Connecticut supports keeping gay marriage there. Twenty years ago, I would have never thought that possible.</p>
<p>So rather than sniping at each other in a manufactured argument over whether blacks cost gays the right to marry in California, start inviting your black (and white, and Asian, and Latino, and even conservative Christian) neighbors over for dinner, or to your children’s birthday parties. Work with them in causes you mutually support, like alleviating poverty, improving health care or increasing educational opportunities. The pundits talk about “ground games” in politics, and whether we like it or not, our personal stories are simply the biggest ground game out there. And, don’t forget, we’ve lived long enough to see the nation’s first black president, and gay marriage legal in two states (MA &amp; CT &#8212; and civil unions in three, NJ, NH &amp; VT). Whether it’s in our living room or at the ballot box, over time we’ll see more and more of our neighbors standing with us rather than against us.</p>
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		<title>By: Francc</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/110708-prop-8-and-race-reactions/comment-page-2/#comment-28772</link>
		<dc:creator>Francc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a gay mexican citizen, I live in Mexico, but I feel really angry and disgusted with the literally legalization of homphobia in California. So, I propose this: A GIANT BOYCOT IN ONE YEAR. The homophobic christian right wing does not want equal rights for you? Well, you don´t need right wing christians too: DO NOT GO TO CHRISTIAN AND MORMON CHURCHES, GO TO CHURCHES THAT ARE INCLUSIVE OF GAY/LESBIAN PEOPLE. DO NOT BUY PRODUCTS OR CONTRACT SERVICES OF THE COMPANIES THAT SUPORTED THE HATE. DO NOT EAT AT MEXICAN FOOD RESTAURANTS WICH SUPORTED PROP. 8(LOOK: I AM MEXICAN, BUT I DO NOT AGREE WITH HOMOPHOBICS, EVEN IF THEY ARE MEXICANS). DO NOT BUY CHRISTIAN BOOKS, C.D.s OR OTHER CHRISTIAN PRODUCTS. DO NOT PAY TAXES. IF A MORMON OR CHRISTIAN PREDICATOR GO TO TALK ABOUT HIS RELIGION AT YOUR HOME, DENNY HIM THE ACCESS. IGNORE THE ARTISTS AND MUSICIANS WHICH SUPORTED THE HATE, LIKE THE MEXICAN EDUARDO VERASTEGUI. DO NOT VOTE ANYMORE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. DO NOT GO ON VACATION TO UTAH. IF YOU ARE A GAY/LES/TRANS EMPLOYER, CONTRACT ONLY GAY/LES/TRANS EMPLOYEES. DO NOT BUY SEXUALY EXPLICIT HETEROSEXUAL DVDs. And take your inconformity to international courts.
START THE RESISTANCE NOW!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a gay mexican citizen, I live in Mexico, but I feel really angry and disgusted with the literally legalization of homphobia in California. So, I propose this: A GIANT BOYCOT IN ONE YEAR. The homophobic christian right wing does not want equal rights for you? Well, you don´t need right wing christians too: DO NOT GO TO CHRISTIAN AND MORMON CHURCHES, GO TO CHURCHES THAT ARE INCLUSIVE OF GAY/LESBIAN PEOPLE. DO NOT BUY PRODUCTS OR CONTRACT SERVICES OF THE COMPANIES THAT SUPORTED THE HATE. DO NOT EAT AT MEXICAN FOOD RESTAURANTS WICH SUPORTED PROP. 8(LOOK: I AM MEXICAN, BUT I DO NOT AGREE WITH HOMOPHOBICS, EVEN IF THEY ARE MEXICANS). DO NOT BUY CHRISTIAN BOOKS, C.D.s OR OTHER CHRISTIAN PRODUCTS. DO NOT PAY TAXES. IF A MORMON OR CHRISTIAN PREDICATOR GO TO TALK ABOUT HIS RELIGION AT YOUR HOME, DENNY HIM THE ACCESS. IGNORE THE ARTISTS AND MUSICIANS WHICH SUPORTED THE HATE, LIKE THE MEXICAN EDUARDO VERASTEGUI. DO NOT VOTE ANYMORE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. DO NOT GO ON VACATION TO UTAH. IF YOU ARE A GAY/LES/TRANS EMPLOYER, CONTRACT ONLY GAY/LES/TRANS EMPLOYEES. DO NOT BUY SEXUALY EXPLICIT HETEROSEXUAL DVDs. And take your inconformity to international courts.<br />
START THE RESISTANCE NOW!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/110708-prop-8-and-race-reactions/comment-page-1/#comment-28766</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job white gays, you are now just as prejudice as your heterosexual, Palin worshiping counterparts. I hope you all are glad to no longer help black folks just because a few voted for the ban. Thanks. Calling us names and finger pointing would get us on your side(rolls eyes)...right. So thanks guys, I&#039;ll guess i&#039;ll pick up MY toys and go home too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job white gays, you are now just as prejudice as your heterosexual, Palin worshiping counterparts. I hope you all are glad to no longer help black folks just because a few voted for the ban. Thanks. Calling us names and finger pointing would get us on your side(rolls eyes)&#8230;right. So thanks guys, I&#8217;ll guess i&#8217;ll pick up MY toys and go home too.</p>
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		<title>By: DR</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/110708-prop-8-and-race-reactions/comment-page-1/#comment-28740</link>
		<dc:creator>DR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie, your math isn&#039;t totally correct.  We lost by around 500 thousand votes.  If 1 million people voted yes at 50%, that would be 500 thousand yes votes, vs. 700 thousand as actually voted.  The incremental decrease is around 200 thousand fewer yes votes, which means yes would still have won by around 300 thousand votes.

No matter how anyone slices it, black people actually played a very small role in the yes victory.  I think the media is trying to make a story, people are trying to scape goat, and I&#039;m sure the mormons (who have a history of racism) would enjoy the limelight on someone else.  Conservative christian fascists are more responsible for this than anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie, your math isn&#8217;t totally correct.  We lost by around 500 thousand votes.  If 1 million people voted yes at 50%, that would be 500 thousand yes votes, vs. 700 thousand as actually voted.  The incremental decrease is around 200 thousand fewer yes votes, which means yes would still have won by around 300 thousand votes.</p>
<p>No matter how anyone slices it, black people actually played a very small role in the yes victory.  I think the media is trying to make a story, people are trying to scape goat, and I&#8217;m sure the mormons (who have a history of racism) would enjoy the limelight on someone else.  Conservative christian fascists are more responsible for this than anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: diego</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/110708-prop-8-and-race-reactions/comment-page-1/#comment-28725</link>
		<dc:creator>diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>!Wow Wayne, you have done it. You have been able to prove that all of the problems for the white gay community lay at the feet of blacks and the black church. Of course proving that all blacks think and act the same. That all black churches preach the exact same words. That they are one mind in many bodies that should be hated. Good job..good thing no one thinks that about gay white males.

Now that you have won, could you now tell us how you plan to solve this plague upon our house? Without showing the same sort of bigotry you claim from them.

We as a gay community have much work to do. We must enlist allies and garner support. We must work with gays of all colours to influence from within. We must speak about our issues in public and come out of our closets..showing our levels of divirstiy (sorry wayne) and keep fighting at every turn to be treated equally as Americans. We must look at these elections in the same light as the Republicans after the Clinton loss. Regroup and find out what we did wrong. Racism, with a black president-duh-doesnt sound like a good idea. But I guess you will correctn this with the next election.

See, we can do more than spew hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>!Wow Wayne, you have done it. You have been able to prove that all of the problems for the white gay community lay at the feet of blacks and the black church. Of course proving that all blacks think and act the same. That all black churches preach the exact same words. That they are one mind in many bodies that should be hated. Good job..good thing no one thinks that about gay white males.</p>
<p>Now that you have won, could you now tell us how you plan to solve this plague upon our house? Without showing the same sort of bigotry you claim from them.</p>
<p>We as a gay community have much work to do. We must enlist allies and garner support. We must work with gays of all colours to influence from within. We must speak about our issues in public and come out of our closets..showing our levels of divirstiy (sorry wayne) and keep fighting at every turn to be treated equally as Americans. We must look at these elections in the same light as the Republicans after the Clinton loss. Regroup and find out what we did wrong. Racism, with a black president-duh-doesnt sound like a good idea. But I guess you will correctn this with the next election.</p>
<p>See, we can do more than spew hate.</p>
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		<title>By: diego</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/110708-prop-8-and-race-reactions/comment-page-1/#comment-28724</link>
		<dc:creator>diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Wayne, you have done it. You have been able to prove that all of the problems for the white gay community lay at the feet of blacks and the black church. Of course proving that all blacks think and act the same. That all black churches preach the exact same words. That they are one mind in many bodies that should be hated. Good job..good thing no one thinks that about gay white males.

Now that you have won, could you now tell us how you plan to solve this plague upon our house? Without showing the same sort of bigotry you claim from them.

We as a gay community have much work to do. We must enlist allies and garner support. We must work with gays of all colours to influence from within. We must speak about our issues in public and come out of our closets..showing our levels of divirstiy (sorry wayne) and keep fighting at every turn to be treated equally as Americans. We must look at these elections in the same light as the Republicans after the Clinton loss. Regroup and find out what we did wrong. Racism, with a black president-duh-doesnt sound like a good idea. But I guess you will correctn this with the next election.

See, we can do more than spew hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Wayne, you have done it. You have been able to prove that all of the problems for the white gay community lay at the feet of blacks and the black church. Of course proving that all blacks think and act the same. That all black churches preach the exact same words. That they are one mind in many bodies that should be hated. Good job..good thing no one thinks that about gay white males.</p>
<p>Now that you have won, could you now tell us how you plan to solve this plague upon our house? Without showing the same sort of bigotry you claim from them.</p>
<p>We as a gay community have much work to do. We must enlist allies and garner support. We must work with gays of all colours to influence from within. We must speak about our issues in public and come out of our closets..showing our levels of divirstiy (sorry wayne) and keep fighting at every turn to be treated equally as Americans. We must look at these elections in the same light as the Republicans after the Clinton loss. Regroup and find out what we did wrong. Racism, with a black president-duh-doesnt sound like a good idea. But I guess you will correctn this with the next election.</p>
<p>See, we can do more than spew hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/110708-prop-8-and-race-reactions/comment-page-1/#comment-28675</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Daily Kos is a rag. It is the liberal equivalent of a skinhead blog. NOTHING that is posted on DK has any credibility with me.</description>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/110708-prop-8-and-race-reactions/comment-page-1/#comment-28660</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is wrong with the exit poll survey? I don&#039;t care about the projection part, all I care about are the people that actually took the survey, and of the blacks that did, the majority voted against gay marriage, right?

That&#039;s what bothers me and I think other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is wrong with the exit poll survey? I don&#8217;t care about the projection part, all I care about are the people that actually took the survey, and of the blacks that did, the majority voted against gay marriage, right?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what bothers me and I think other people.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/110708-prop-8-and-race-reactions/comment-page-1/#comment-28652</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Daily Kos post is a rather weak attack on the methodology of polling!  These methodologies are standard in all polling and does not call into dispute the 70% rate of African Americans voting Yes on Prop 8. And as I&#039;ve said, CNN has not retracted any of it&#039;s exit polling data, and news agencies such as NBC, MSNBC, AP, etc, all continue to reference the same polling data on the African American vote in California concerning the vote on Prop 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Daily Kos post is a rather weak attack on the methodology of polling!  These methodologies are standard in all polling and does not call into dispute the 70% rate of African Americans voting Yes on Prop 8. And as I&#8217;ve said, CNN has not retracted any of it&#8217;s exit polling data, and news agencies such as NBC, MSNBC, AP, etc, all continue to reference the same polling data on the African American vote in California concerning the vote on Prop 8.</p>
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