Comments on: Withers: Likely voters in CA not supporting Prop 8 http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/ The daily news source for the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:11:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: lenny http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-26520 lenny Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:24:21 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=3851#comment-26520 I live in Lake County California. I had an appointment in Burlingame this week. During my drive, scanning the radio, I heard "no on 8" ads, over and over and over. Why are these being broadcast to an area that obviously is voting no anyway. It is a waist of money in my opinion. Those same clever ads should come to areas, such as the one I live in, but they are not!! additional info. I do a radio show once a week on our local radio serving this area, called "Our Stories Our Lives", about lesbian and gay issues, both past and present. No on 8 has been my focus. I live in Lake County California. I had an appointment in Burlingame this week. During my drive, scanning the radio, I heard “no on 8″ ads, over and over and over.
Why are these being broadcast to an area that obviously is voting no anyway. It is a waist of money in my opinion. Those same clever ads should come to areas, such as the one I live in, but they are not!!
additional info. I do a radio show once a week on our local radio serving this area, called “Our Stories Our Lives”, about lesbian and gay issues, both past and present. No on 8 has been my focus.

]]> By: JACK T. http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-26490 JACK T. Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:59:57 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=3851#comment-26490 The way this Prop. was worded is deliberately confusing! Voting NO is for same-sex marriage and YES is against any form of marriage except man-woman. The churches(LDS & Catholic) and their NON-CALIFORNIANS shouldn't interfere in California matters. It is OUR STATE! Keep out unless you want to pay Ca. income tax. I don't see these people putting money into any other California issues. The way this Prop. was worded is deliberately confusing! Voting NO is for same-sex marriage and YES is against any form of marriage except man-woman. The churches(LDS & Catholic) and their NON-CALIFORNIANS shouldn’t interfere in California matters. It is OUR STATE! Keep out unless you want to pay Ca. income tax. I don’t see these people putting money into any other California issues.

]]> By: MikeFromOakville http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-26487 MikeFromOakville Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:49:34 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=3851#comment-26487 James, Will Cox is dead on right with his assessment based on education and income. That was very irresponsible journalism on your part. James, Will Cox is dead on right with his assessment based on education and income. That was very irresponsible journalism on your part.

]]> By: TigerTzu http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-26484 TigerTzu Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:34:15 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=3851#comment-26484 John Said: "Marriage in my mind is very blunt and clear: A man weded, committed, in a contractural relationship either before God or Society or Both to a woman." *hsnds John the toilet psper* Here, go wipe your mind. John Said: “Marriage in my mind is very blunt and clear: A man weded, committed, in a contractural relationship either before God or Society or Both to a woman.”

*hsnds John the toilet psper* Here, go wipe your mind.

]]> By: blacksteel http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-26482 blacksteel Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:33:54 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=3851#comment-26482 "What silly noise am I talking about? Oh, let’s see: how people are shocked and appalled that black folk who were oppressed are now in favor of keeping someone else down (yeah because discrimination makes people all noble and stuff)." No, it's because the pain of having experienced discrimination should bring forth empathy for others who experience discrimination. If it doesn't, then a measure of one's humanity has been lost in the crucible. We admire people like MLK Jr. precisely because he didn't lose his humanity to bitterness and didn't try to raise himself up by trampling on others. “What silly noise am I talking about? Oh, let’s see: how people are shocked and appalled that black folk who were oppressed are now in favor of keeping someone else down (yeah because discrimination makes people all noble and stuff).”

No, it’s because the pain of having experienced discrimination should bring forth empathy for others who experience discrimination. If it doesn’t, then a measure of one’s humanity has been lost in the crucible. We admire people like MLK Jr. precisely because he didn’t lose his humanity to bitterness and didn’t try to raise himself up by trampling on others.

]]> By: John http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-26471 John Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:22:51 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=3851#comment-26471 Proposition 8 does not discriminate. It is a simple definition of marriage. People can scream that it is intolerant and hateful, but they are ignorant. Homosexual couples are fundamentally different than heterosexual couples and should not be labeled the same. They are psychosocially and physically different. What would you call two loving adults in a committed relationship? Marriage? What if I told you these one of these two people gave birth to the other one? Well, it may be a mother-daughter/son relationship. We can not and should not make assumptions. Marriage in my mind is very blunt and clear: A man weded, committed, in a contractural relationship either before God or Society or Both to a woman. Their pyschosocial dynamic is fundamentally different because of the emotional make up of a man and a woman. That psychosocial dynamic changes completely when you put to women or two men together. It is a completely different type of relationship. To lump them together is to do a disservice to both. Vote Yes on 8! Stop the Maddness Proposition 8 does not discriminate. It is a simple definition of marriage. People can scream that it is intolerant and hateful, but they are ignorant. Homosexual couples are fundamentally different than heterosexual couples and should not be labeled the same. They are psychosocially and physically different.

What would you call two loving adults in a committed relationship? Marriage? What if I told you these one of these two people gave birth to the other one? Well, it may be a mother-daughter/son relationship. We can not and should not make assumptions. Marriage in my mind is very blunt and clear: A man weded, committed, in a contractural relationship either before God or Society or Both to a woman. Their pyschosocial dynamic is fundamentally different because of the emotional make up of a man and a woman.

That psychosocial dynamic changes completely when you put to women or two men together. It is a completely different type of relationship. To lump them together is to do a disservice to both.

Vote Yes on 8! Stop the Maddness

]]> By: Will Cox http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-26436 Will Cox Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:00:00 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=3851#comment-26436 I'm a graduate student in psychology who researches prejudice, so I know quite a bit about this topic. While is is true that Black people in America tend to have higher levels of anti-gay prejudice, it is actually because of level of education and income. Poorer and less educated people, regardless of race, tend to have higher anti-gay prejudice. Black people in our country tend to have much lower income and education, hence the higher rates of prejudice (which they share with Whites of similar income and education). When you adjust for income and education, there are no race differences in prejudice against gays. I’m a graduate student in psychology who researches prejudice, so I know quite a bit about this topic. While is is true that Black people in America tend to have higher levels of anti-gay prejudice, it is actually because of level of education and income. Poorer and less educated people, regardless of race, tend to have higher anti-gay prejudice. Black people in our country tend to have much lower income and education, hence the higher rates of prejudice (which they share with Whites of similar income and education). When you adjust for income and education, there are no race differences in prejudice against gays.

]]> By: Guy in SF http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-26432 Guy in SF Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:54:37 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=3851#comment-26432 Kari: A lot of gay people ARE closet racists, We were taught to be that way by our bigoted heterosexual white parents. Being aware of this is a daily struggle to be objective and fair. We strive to move forward in our lives that racism is not right and treat everyone with dignity and respect. The same actions I would expect from anyone harboring biases toward LGBT. Kari: A lot of gay people ARE closet racists,

We were taught to be that way by our bigoted heterosexual white parents. Being aware of this is a daily struggle to be objective and fair. We strive to move forward in our lives that racism is not right and treat everyone with dignity and respect. The same actions I would expect from anyone harboring biases toward LGBT.

]]> By: James Withers http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-26423 James Withers Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:55:12 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=3851#comment-26423 Taylor, "The argument that the abused turn into abusers is common knowledge I thought. Is that why its silly?" Yes. Sincerely, James Taylor,

“The argument that the abused turn into abusers is common knowledge I thought. Is that why its silly?”

Yes.

Sincerely,

James

]]> By: Daniel http://www.365gay.com/blog/102308-poll-shows-weak-support-for-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-26422 Daniel Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:55:10 +0000 http://www.365gay.com/?p=3851#comment-26422 Straight people put the same expectations on gays. If you're gay you're supposed to approve of everything under the sun, because surely as a gay person you would know what it's like to be discriminated against, so how dare you not approve of ________. Straight people put the same expectations on gays. If you’re gay you’re supposed to approve of everything under the sun, because surely as a gay person you would know what it’s like to be discriminated against, so how dare you not approve of ________.

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