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		<title>By: daveinsf</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinsf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth mentioning press reports  have  it  that  President  Obama won&#039;t even  be in Washington  that  weekend.   He apparently will be  here in  CA.   I wont  be there,  sorry  but like over 40,000  other  bi-national  couples  I need  to  use  what  resources  I have  to go visit  my partner  since  he  can&#039;t come here.   The  Uniting American Families  Act, the  bill in Congress that would  remedy that, has even LESS  chance of  happening  than a  repeal  of DOMA.  

Face it  we got  duped.   You  want  change?  Save  your  $$ and  donate  to progressive  congressional  candidates.   Replace  the  idiot &quot;Blue Dogs&quot;  and  what is left of the  American Taliban calling  itself  the  GOP  and  THEN  LGBT  civil rights  might have  a chance.   The  Democratic Party milked our community for money and votes  and then turned around and  stabbed us in the back.   Stay home,  they  are not  listening  in  DC  and  the wont be  on  Oct  11th.  You want to get  their  attention.  When  the DNC  fundraisers  start  calling  tell them  to repeal DOMA  and  Don&#039;t Ask Don&#039;t tell FIRST,  then we&#039;ll talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth mentioning press reports  have  it  that  President  Obama won&#8217;t even  be in Washington  that  weekend.   He apparently will be  here in  CA.   I wont  be there,  sorry  but like over 40,000  other  bi-national  couples  I need  to  use  what  resources  I have  to go visit  my partner  since  he  can&#8217;t come here.   The  Uniting American Families  Act, the  bill in Congress that would  remedy that, has even LESS  chance of  happening  than a  repeal  of DOMA.  </p>
<p>Face it  we got  duped.   You  want  change?  Save  your  $$ and  donate  to progressive  congressional  candidates.   Replace  the  idiot &#8220;Blue Dogs&#8221;  and  what is left of the  American Taliban calling  itself  the  GOP  and  THEN  LGBT  civil rights  might have  a chance.   The  Democratic Party milked our community for money and votes  and then turned around and  stabbed us in the back.   Stay home,  they  are not  listening  in  DC  and  the wont be  on  Oct  11th.  You want to get  their  attention.  When  the DNC  fundraisers  start  calling  tell them  to repeal DOMA  and  Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t tell FIRST,  then we&#8217;ll talk.</p>
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		<title>By: James Withers</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gu1986,

Oh my. Not the &quot;gay pride parades are keeping us down&quot; rhetoric?

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gu1986,</p>
<p>Oh my. Not the &#8220;gay pride parades are keeping us down&#8221; rhetoric?</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: gu1986</title>
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		<dc:creator>gu1986</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would much rather the straight world see us come together for a march than the ridiculous and out-dated gay pride parades held in cities across America. Whether you want to admit it or not our community will not get respect until we start displaying behavior worthy of respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would much rather the straight world see us come together for a march than the ridiculous and out-dated gay pride parades held in cities across America. Whether you want to admit it or not our community will not get respect until we start displaying behavior worthy of respect.</p>
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		<title>By: James Withers</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/092309-will-the-march-in-october-be-effective/comment-page-1/#comment-73554</link>
		<dc:creator>James Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yhitzak, 

&quot;I am curious… why *are* you going, Withers?&quot;

Good question. I&#039;ll write about that this weekend. For the record though: no one, who is fair, should make the argument that not going to DC is a sign of &quot;bad activist.&quot; Your reasons are legit (economic, etc., etc). A few folk, not many of course, have jumped on the &quot;I ain&#039;t going because the event was poorly planned&quot; memo. That&#039;s pure hokum and not at all related to the hard work the orgnaizers have done thus far.

Joey,

I was born with the Debbie-Downer gene! What am I supposed to do? :-) Seriously though, I would argue my opinion is a bit more nuanced than you are making it. I&#039;ll write more later. 

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yhitzak, </p>
<p>&#8220;I am curious… why *are* you going, Withers?&#8221;</p>
<p>Good question. I&#8217;ll write about that this weekend. For the record though: no one, who is fair, should make the argument that not going to DC is a sign of &#8220;bad activist.&#8221; Your reasons are legit (economic, etc., etc). A few folk, not many of course, have jumped on the &#8220;I ain&#8217;t going because the event was poorly planned&#8221; memo. That&#8217;s pure hokum and not at all related to the hard work the orgnaizers have done thus far.</p>
<p>Joey,</p>
<p>I was born with the Debbie-Downer gene! What am I supposed to do? <img src='http://www.365gay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Seriously though, I would argue my opinion is a bit more nuanced than you are making it. I&#8217;ll write more later. </p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Yhitzak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yhitzak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious... why *are* you going, Withers? I know why I&#039;m not going: a total lack of money, a total lack of having someone to take care of my world in my absence, the fact that DC is half a country away. I&#039;ll at least be honest about it and admit that I think this is a form of pissing in the wind. Yes, yes, I know, I&#039;m such a bad little queer and an even worse activist! At least I&#039;m honest about it. Heh. And if activism were limited to marching on Washington, DC... that&#039;s funny.

Eh. I&#039;m going to go against the grain and say don&#039;t go, James. Really. Do something better for yourself and your &quot;community.&quot; Maybe sit down with some youth who couldn&#039;t go to the march and figure out what it means. Kick it local. Work it where you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious&#8230; why *are* you going, Withers? I know why I&#8217;m not going: a total lack of money, a total lack of having someone to take care of my world in my absence, the fact that DC is half a country away. I&#8217;ll at least be honest about it and admit that I think this is a form of pissing in the wind. Yes, yes, I know, I&#8217;m such a bad little queer and an even worse activist! At least I&#8217;m honest about it. Heh. And if activism were limited to marching on Washington, DC&#8230; that&#8217;s funny.</p>
<p>Eh. I&#8217;m going to go against the grain and say don&#8217;t go, James. Really. Do something better for yourself and your &#8220;community.&#8221; Maybe sit down with some youth who couldn&#8217;t go to the march and figure out what it means. Kick it local. Work it where you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey in CT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey in CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ aakalan and the other commentors: I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.

Sorry James, You know I just love you, but we don&#039;t need any more Debbie-Downers. None at all. I think our politicos are enough. Sometimes the negative, opinionative things you write reminds me of my X. He hates all things Gay. Ironic don&#039;t you think? A Gay Democratic Gay-hater. Interesting.

This isn&#039;t just for you or me, it&#039;s for all of us. It&#039;s for our Nieces and Nephews, Brothers and Sisters, Parents and Grandparents, Aunts and Uncles, Children and Grandchildren (for those it may apply to). It&#039;s for the countless Gay alliess we will come across throughout our lives, who we will NEED throughout our lives. It&#039;s to motivate an entire generation of Gay Youth who&#039;ve never been a part of something that effects them so much. Motivate us to spread the Love and Tolerance we preach so often about.

As I appreciate your opinion on what the march won&#039;t do...in the words of my boss: &quot;Don&#039;t tell me what you can&#039;t do; Tell me what you can do!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ aakalan and the other commentors: I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.</p>
<p>Sorry James, You know I just love you, but we don&#8217;t need any more Debbie-Downers. None at all. I think our politicos are enough. Sometimes the negative, opinionative things you write reminds me of my X. He hates all things Gay. Ironic don&#8217;t you think? A Gay Democratic Gay-hater. Interesting.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t just for you or me, it&#8217;s for all of us. It&#8217;s for our Nieces and Nephews, Brothers and Sisters, Parents and Grandparents, Aunts and Uncles, Children and Grandchildren (for those it may apply to). It&#8217;s for the countless Gay alliess we will come across throughout our lives, who we will NEED throughout our lives. It&#8217;s to motivate an entire generation of Gay Youth who&#8217;ve never been a part of something that effects them so much. Motivate us to spread the Love and Tolerance we preach so often about.</p>
<p>As I appreciate your opinion on what the march won&#8217;t do&#8230;in the words of my boss: &#8220;Don&#8217;t tell me what you can&#8217;t do; Tell me what you can do!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: aakalan</title>
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		<dc:creator>aakalan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, you are incredibly selfish. In fact, I can&#039;t believe that someone so self-absorbed and out-of-touch has been given such a powerful platform as this one.

Shame on you.

The reasons we need a march are simple:

1) To make Obama and Congress aware of us, which it will. To make them realize that we&#039;re not going to sit back and take whatever crumbs they want to give us when it&#039;s politically expedient for them to give them to us.

2) To let the world see us en masse, and to let them know, without any doubt, that we are not going away and won&#039;t be thrown under the bus.

3) We desperately need a positive national media event. We need the networks to show us across the land and let everyone know that we&#039;re not shrinking away just because some bigots passed Prop 8. 

4) To celebrate our unity. Yes, unity: we all want our rights, and we want them now.

Unless we make ourselves visible, we will be ignored. Raising the voices of a few hundred thousand people on the National Mall is a pretty good way to get the attention we need - no, demand.

And, if you really don&#039;t want to be there, don&#039;t go. One thing we do not need is another self-indulgent, bored fag on the TV screens of America. 

We don&#039;t need you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, you are incredibly selfish. In fact, I can&#8217;t believe that someone so self-absorbed and out-of-touch has been given such a powerful platform as this one.</p>
<p>Shame on you.</p>
<p>The reasons we need a march are simple:</p>
<p>1) To make Obama and Congress aware of us, which it will. To make them realize that we&#8217;re not going to sit back and take whatever crumbs they want to give us when it&#8217;s politically expedient for them to give them to us.</p>
<p>2) To let the world see us en masse, and to let them know, without any doubt, that we are not going away and won&#8217;t be thrown under the bus.</p>
<p>3) We desperately need a positive national media event. We need the networks to show us across the land and let everyone know that we&#8217;re not shrinking away just because some bigots passed Prop 8. </p>
<p>4) To celebrate our unity. Yes, unity: we all want our rights, and we want them now.</p>
<p>Unless we make ourselves visible, we will be ignored. Raising the voices of a few hundred thousand people on the National Mall is a pretty good way to get the attention we need &#8211; no, demand.</p>
<p>And, if you really don&#8217;t want to be there, don&#8217;t go. One thing we do not need is another self-indulgent, bored fag on the TV screens of America. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need you.</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook User</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facebook User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I disagree with you rather profoundly man.  Marches like this one aren&#039;t about the lawmakers.  Anyone who kids themselves into thinking that it&#039;s about the lawmakers are nuts.  Lawmakers serve their individual constituencies and when everyone&#039;s in DC who knows which district they are from.  These marches are about us.  They are about creating a symbol that galvanizes people back home.  They are about creating inspiration for the participants.  Crafting something concrete to make people realize how much these issues affect them is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I disagree with you rather profoundly man.  Marches like this one aren&#8217;t about the lawmakers.  Anyone who kids themselves into thinking that it&#8217;s about the lawmakers are nuts.  Lawmakers serve their individual constituencies and when everyone&#8217;s in DC who knows which district they are from.  These marches are about us.  They are about creating a symbol that galvanizes people back home.  They are about creating inspiration for the participants.  Crafting something concrete to make people realize how much these issues affect them is important.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the bright side- you get to have dinner with your adoring readers! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the bright side- you get to have dinner with your adoring readers! <img src='http://www.365gay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bobweekend</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobweekend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What other choice do we have?  I am sure large number of folks are writing letters to their representatives at all levels of government. If not you should be. Postage is not too much to ask and most representatives have email which is free. 

We could try and organize a pink flu day/week where everyone who considers them self part of our community or friendly to our community calls in sick and spends 0 money.  

So the march may or may not have an immediate effect or a long term one for that matter.  What it will do is provide an opportunity for folks from all over the country to get together and exchange ideas.  The NEM website is starting to have actual information on training sessions, gatherings, etc. There is more to this weekend then the march itself.  

I am not one to give false hope that everything will be wonderful after this march.  I am not expecting miracles.  But I do think it is very important to try and motivate as many as can make it to show up.  Each additional person adds hope.  

James, like it or not people do read your articles and you are in a leadership role.  I think this particular article does not help the community nor motivate folks to get involved. My partner and I will be there, hope to see you.

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What other choice do we have?  I am sure large number of folks are writing letters to their representatives at all levels of government. If not you should be. Postage is not too much to ask and most representatives have email which is free. </p>
<p>We could try and organize a pink flu day/week where everyone who considers them self part of our community or friendly to our community calls in sick and spends 0 money.  </p>
<p>So the march may or may not have an immediate effect or a long term one for that matter.  What it will do is provide an opportunity for folks from all over the country to get together and exchange ideas.  The NEM website is starting to have actual information on training sessions, gatherings, etc. There is more to this weekend then the march itself.  </p>
<p>I am not one to give false hope that everything will be wonderful after this march.  I am not expecting miracles.  But I do think it is very important to try and motivate as many as can make it to show up.  Each additional person adds hope.  </p>
<p>James, like it or not people do read your articles and you are in a leadership role.  I think this particular article does not help the community nor motivate folks to get involved. My partner and I will be there, hope to see you.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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