Withers: What do you hope happens after October 11?

Unless you have been living under a rock, there is a gay rights march in Washington, DC in early October.
“A march,” you ask with indignation. “I didn’t know. Why doesn’t our gay media keep us informed of these important things. God, our gay press has failed again. Why can’t we have gay versions of Walter Cronkite or Don Hewitt?”
Yes, gentle reader there is a rally. Called the National Equality March; go to this site and you will get all the information you need. If you can’t be in DC that weekend, you’ll find suggestions for alternative activities. Between now and October 11, I’ll spend an entry each week reporting about the upcoming rally.
Much in the above three paragraphs was written with tongue firmly placed in cheek, but give props to Joey in the Nutmeg State. While 365Gay has done a fair number of articles on the National Equality March, Joey suggested we do more to get the word out. Point taken.
With that said let’s start with a question: what do you hope happens on October 12? When the march is done, the speeches are forgotten, and the cameras are turned off, what do you wish to see, either for yourself or the quest for gay rights?
Liberalism lost a lion last night. RIP Edward M. Kennedy. More words on the last Kennedy brother will follow this week.




I hope that more and more Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered people feel more and more confident that they are not alone and we all stand with them. I have been to several different marches and have found that afterwards, more people feel comfortable with being themselves and not allowing the close-minded to oppress them anymore.
May Goddess Bless Those Who Learn and Grow!
Blessed Be,
Rev. Draigh Lunara
I don’t understand how anyone can NOT be cynical after being continually lied to and used for the political and financial gain of others. If you’re not cynical, or at least very, very angry, you’re not paying enough attention. I for one am sick and tired of having my civil rights used as campaign fodder only to be put back in the closet for 4 more years until the next election. I am tired of people telling me to be patient and to wait my turn. I’ve been waiting for over 20 years now. I am done listening to people telling me that Obama has a lot on his plate, and that there are other pressing issues. Nothing is more important than MY civil rights, period. I am tired of people expecting me to excuse a man who not only lied to us about fighting for our rights, but openly spit in our faces by associating with hatemongers like Rick Warren and Donnie McClurkin, and Doug Kmiec. BTW, Kmiec (who think gays are akin to nazis and are damaged human beings) got HIS reward for being faithful to Obama (he’s now ambassador to malta). So why are we called “cynics” and “whiners” when we demand ours? I’m over people saying that we should concentrate on things like marriage in Maine (how is that going to help me and MY partner in North Carolina???) instead of marching for federally recognized gay rights. I’m through with anyone in our community who continues to apologize for politicians who don’t give a damn about us. So yeah, I’m cynical, I’m loud and I’m PISSED OFF. If that bores you, well then that’s YOUR problem.
Well…I think he does work with the children already…doesn’t he say that in his post? As for everyone else? I think those that have the capacity to go out and volunteer with children of all orientations could do wonderful things. I would encourage that too!
But for 2 days time, you don’t think it would be worth it to go to D.C.?
I can’t say what this march will bring about. I’ve never been. My mom most likely wouldn’t have signed THAT permission slip when I was 15…
I am realistic though, at least I like to think so, and do realize that Obama is not going to greet us out of the oval office Saturday night at the candle light vigil at the elipse. Heck, I’d be surprised if he even gave a speech during the rally on Sunday. I don’t expect results from them on the 12th.
I hope that we as a community return from D.C. with more civil rights activism across the country.
Don’t forget, a huge population of GLBTQ youth that was under 30 the last time something like this happened quite possibly didn’t go, myself included. We need a push. We need something to light the pilot light.
I feel the more my peers hear about this, they will feel inspired to do SOMETHING and hopefully find ways to afford going, whether individually or in groups. I hope they go and get what they’re expecting, and come home on Monday still pumped up. Then may you see a huge influx of new, young blood entering the ranks of people like for example Ted, who devote careers to advocating for the civil rights of ALL americans. Lets hope so.
If I’m blowing up the effects of a march, my appologies.
I think Generation NOW needs things blown up for them to realize whats going on around us. Life isn’t all clubs, clothes, and martini’s, Oh my…
RE the Advocate article
I liked it, but I found it intriguing that it did not speak to two of the dynamics that were so important in the recent successes here in MA. (Sorry, but I’m a *firm* believer in recognizing your successes and trying to replicate them.)
First, in MA, between 1989 and the early 00s, our openly-gay community members migrated from the inner city ghettos out to the suburbs, and many people began raising children. This was possible, in part, due to an ENDA like law that passed in MA in 1989, reducing the social penalty for coming out. Sorry, but it just gets really *difficult* to argue against gay marriage, when the two dads help out at your little league games and the two moms are on the PTA alongside you. It just…well…stopped making sense to oppose same-gender marriage when our families were looking and behaving way too much like their families.
The second dynamic was that we changed, for a lack of a better term, our “point of entry” into the political process. I know that this idea came to me when Al Gore became the nominee for the Democratic party in 2000. I remember thinking, “Is this the best we can do? Why don’t we have a better choice?” (He’s since become a LOT more impressive.) But, then it occurred to me that the way to have a better nominee is to find a supportive candidate *early*, support her, and then get her past the nomination and into the office. We tried it with Howard Dean, but we weren’t able to overcome The Scream. We tried it again here in MA with Deval Patrick, and it *worked*! And it was improved upon and replicated with Obama.
Even during the heat of the legislative action on marriage equality, you could see the shift in strategy. By the time the vote came up the second time in the legislature, we had already targeted anti-marriage-equality legislators, successfully working to knock them out of their offices, and we’d replaced them with pro-marriage-equality people. And we fought hard to get our friends in the legislature re-elected (not one pro-marriage-equality incumbent was defeated).
So, you see, if you organize around a candidate who is *already* going to vote for you, and if you work like a dog to get her elected, then you don’t have to do as much yelling and marching in the streets. Or politicking the week of the bill. We did 70% of the work of defeating the anti-marriage-equality forces when, two years earlier, we saw Deval Patrick strongly supporting marriage equality, and we worked like dogs to get him elected. Then, when we needed support from our governor, our guy was already in place wanting to help us and owing us a debt for helping to get him elected.
To replicate this strategy, you need to locate supportive candidates approximately 18 months before the election. Longer, if it’s a presidential election (Obama started campaigning two years in advance). Contrary to popular opinion, you position yourself to win the race six months to a year before the primaries. If you’re getting involved at the point of the primaries, you’re too late.
>Yhitzak, those are the exact reasons you should go! Go to represent all of those children you work with. Go to make your voice heard with the countless others who share the same concerns you do! Wouldn’t that make it worth your time and money to go?
How about “go work with children–gay and straight and in between–as an openly gay person”? That’ll do an exponentially greater amount of good than marching, IMO. (I’m not anti-march. I’m anti-over-blowing-the-effects-of-a-march.)
…and I hope we drop the cynicism. It’s poisonous. It’s also a huge booorreeee! (Sorry…the queen in me just slipped out. I’ll put her back in her room.
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I hope we zero in on some concrete, productive ways to support the passage of important national legislation (enda, and repeal of DADT and DOMA). I hope that the states who are struggling to organize return home with more energized volunteers…people newly ready to come out and do practical work for our rights with a combination of persistence and patience.
I hope more people come out in more areas of their lives. I hope they speak up as openly gay people in all aspects of communication on all sorts of topics. *We* know that we are everywhere, but I fear that many heterosexuals don’t get that yet.
james, if you are a frequent reader of the Advocate online you are aware that for every critical article about Obama, Kerry Eleveld writes 5 propaganda pieces for him. And hers are usually riddled with inaccuracies and misinformation. Furthermore, articles that tend to criticize Obama such as a recent piece by Dan Savage, or support the March for Equality by Michalangelo Signorile, are quickly buried and taken off the front page. While Eleveld’s tripe hangs around for days. I will not stand by while she uses us to further her own career. Why do you think she is the only gay journalist who has had direct access to the president? Because she dutifully kisses his ass, that’s why. We deserve much better. This site is much more balanced when it comes to advocacy of the gay community as far as I’m concerned. The Advocate is a propaganda rag.
James, VERY good article from The Advocate!Thank you so much for sharing it.
EVERYONE on this site – writers, readers, and commentors alike – should be reading this article from The Advocate.
Yhitzak, those are the exact reasons you should go! Go to represent all of those children you work with. Go to make your voice heard with the countless others who share the same concerns you do! Wouldn’t that make it worth your time and money to go?
Nobody can predict with 100% accuracy what will happen 10/12/09 and thereafter. They’re all just assumptions and hope. Afterall, this is all surviving on hope.
“The Movement” has survived on hope since??? A long time…
We have continuously been fed a small amount, and we continue to hope for more, yet we continue to be fed in minute increments.
This needs to end.
Hence, the demand for equal protection in all civil matters in all 50 states. We need nourishment, and we will wait no longer.
As I know things never happen overnight, I hope pre-10/11/09 and on the day we are able to organize en mass, and show the country that we the people, fellow citizens that cry the same, eat the same, breathe the same, and die the same demand to be viewed in the eyes of the law as exactly that. Equal.
Post 10/11/09, I hope it continues. I hope the rallying continues, I hope the same people joining the effort, and those who have been fighting it for years continue to fight the fight until it’s won.
Afterall, what is the past 60+ years effort worth if not worth fighting until the end?
P.S. – Thanks James. You’re an awesome dude and quite honestly, I can’t wait to meet you in D.C.!
Really I just want to see something pass. I personally don’t care what that something is. I can be ENDA, repeal of DADT, or repeal of DOMA. I don’t want any more minimal policy movements that careful keep to the parameters defined by our current and miserable laws. I don’t want everything today, but I want to see some sort of significant progress before we hit mid term election progress castration.
“(in particular The Advocate, which has become more an advocate for the Obama administration than the gay community)…”
How can you even write that after this article?
http://www.advocate.com/issue_story_ektid102115.asp
James
Having only one equality march a year I think does little though I am for it. We need to keep momentum going without letup until the White House and the dems clearly understand just how important our rights and our votes are. We should have state demonstrations on state capitals every month across the country until someone listens to us and does something about it.
Joey does have a point. Many in the gay media (in particular The Advocate, which has become more an advocate for the Obama administration than the gay community) have been actively downplaying the march for equality out of fear that it will embarrass President Obama for his lack of action on LGBT issues and will highlight his campaign promises (lies) to our community. Many of us who have been grassroots activists for years are more than a little dismayed that people like Kerry Eleveld and Joe Solmonese are more interested in their own privilege and access than they are about the gay community. Nobody thinks that Oct. 11 will be the end of our struggle, so your question is a bit irrelevant. We will continue to fight for our civil rights until we achieve them. It is especially relevant given that such a historic president should be so lacking when it comes to endorsing the civil rights of millions of Americans. He deserves every bit of scorn the marchers heap on him. Maybe it will shame him into doing the right thing. After all, it was less than a year after the MOW in 1963 that the Civil Rights Act was passed. Every gay person in this country who can make it should be there. And anyone who says that these marches never lead to anything is obviously too young to have attended one. After attending the 93 march as a young man, and witnessing the display of the AIDS quilt, I became an activist for life. Feeling the strength of numbers of ones community is a powerful thing.
Ha! The very question I’ve been asking myself since I heard about this march! Maybe once I have the answer, I’ll decide whether or not to blow the time and money to go to DC that weekend. Heh. Let’s give it a whirl, eh?
I know this is going to sound trite, but my interest in equal rights for GLBT people really has very little to do with myself and very much to do with future generations. I work with a lot of kids and it’s painful (to say the least) to see them struggling with the same issues I’ve always struggled with, that they receive approximately the same lack of care that I received, and I frankly want the cycle to stop. I’ve watched kids grow up with gay parents, then enter a world that they have absolutely no clue about because the real world isn’t as gay as the one they grew up in. What do I hope is eventually accomplished through legal equality for GLBT people? I hope to see a reduction in hate-crimes, a reduction in suicides and various abuses (the statistics for those things related to GLBT people are effing scary), but most of all I hope to see society itself change its views about the acceptability of consentual, adult love. I hope that we stop demonizing one another because of perception, and this works both ways in my mind. Sexual bigotries (be they homophobic or heterophobic in nature) are simply antithetical toward progress.
I hope that on 12th October, 2009, there will be no “gay community,” there will only be a community. I hope that on 12th October, 2009, there will be less fear of rejection so that GLBT people and allies in positions of power and authority will feel empowered to work on behalf of ALL people in the nation. I hope that after 12th October, 2009, we can discuss gay rights accurately: as a battle for civil rights and not special rights or group rights. I hope that we can bring pragmatism and utility to the discussion, that we can drop the emotional rhetoric and anecdotal evidence of our inequality and showcase it as an actual and real problem, not one of mere perception. I hope that the need for GLBT people to stage Pride events disappears entirely, that we become accepted by and accepting of the other people around us without losing our autonomy as individual human beings. Most of all, I hope to show the world how human we as GLBT persons are; gay rights ARE human rights and we as human beings deserve basic protections under the law.
Heh. Here’s to hoping!