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Withers: Manhunt.net founder donates cash to McCain

By James Withers, contributing editor, 365Gay Blog 08.14.2008 8:49am EDT

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Manhunt.net is getting a lot of ink recently. First there is the Out magazine article looking at the site’s impact on gay male culture. Now one of the site’s co-founders is a proud John McCain donor. According to Opensecrets Jonathan Crutchley has given the maximum individual donation to the presumptive Republican nominee.

Be prepared to be cut if you describe Crutchley as a liberal Republican. He admits his brand of Republicanism isn’t the same when compared to a Republican from Alabama, but for him the word liberal is an insult of the highest order.

If I were a betting man, I would wager camp McCain will return the cash when the story gets a wider audience. McCain can’t seek the support of the GOP base and take money from a gay guy who makes tons of money off of gay sex. Sure McCain could make a big tent argument but that takes political courage, a rather rare commodity in a close election.

Hopefully more gays and lesbians who think like Crutchley will come out of the closet. I’m not going to shed too many tears for gays who happen to be Republican, but the stories are out there of prejudice against those whose politics are a deeper shade of red. A community only stays vibrant when all ideas are presented at the table and it’s time to give up the deceit that sexuality leads to a liberal agenda.


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  • Rocco Said: August 14th, 2008 at 9:29 am
    • Then what are your “ideas” about why, on average, in national elections, GLBT voters go for Dems @ about 65-35%
      Why do Blacks go for Dems @about 90-10%? What are your “ideas” why the split for Hispanics is closer, as it is for (all)women?

  • James Withers Said: August 14th, 2008 at 9:55 am
    • Rocco,

      Morning. And thanks for the questions. Those numbers represent a habit in the communities you cite. And the assumption that when it comes to minorities the GOP wants none. Lastly, those stats show the GOP has been rather lousy in making a case for why minorities should vote Republican. If the case was made, on a consistent basis, I think those stats would change.

      Sincerely,

      James

  • Louis Said: August 14th, 2008 at 10:25 am
    • John McCain, the Republican platform/party and anyone who supports them undeniably aim to deny gay people our fundamentally rights to life, liberty and happiness. Period. That’s why gay people MUST fight tooth and nail to defeat them. That includes not giving them a forum to perpetuate their ideas. They have a choice to give up their beliefs, gay people do not have a choice to give up their lives. Wealthy gays who want a republican corporate welfare state side with the gop to the detriment of their humanity and mine. They do so without consequence (their wealth covers many of the consequences) —the vast majority of us don’t make such deals with the devil so it’s up to us to make sure “manhunt.com” and their ilk fail so it’s owners have some negative consequence resulting from their actions.

  • Chris Sullivan Said: August 14th, 2008 at 10:34 am
    • Sure, Crutchley is entitled to his opinions and people that use Manhunt are entitled to theirs. If he considers “liberal” an insult -that’s OK – I consider being called a “conservative” and/or “Republican” a MAJOR insult. Just because he has a few bucks in his pocket doesn’t make his viewpoint more valid (after all, he’s gotten the money from GLBT people!). It will be interesting to see how many politically minded gay men will stop using his service when it is noted that one of its founders is supporting a presidential nominee that is so anti-gay. Not sure that the term “prejudice” is exactly well chosen in regard to gay people who don’t support other gays who are Republican. The bottom line is that the Republican Party is not neutral in regard to GLBT issues – they are ACTIVELY AGAINST them – while the Democratic Party has been the party to ADVANCE GLBT rites by and large. It is a matter of self-preservation. So while it is all sweet and nice to imply that we should “all just get along” and listen to everyone’s point of view – the facts are the facts. GLBT people who support the Republican Party do more harm to other GLBT people than they realize – especially in tight elections. I saw the “Log Cabin” booth this past weekend at Market Days here in Chicago, I support their rite to be there – but it was also nice to know that in such a tight crowd, there was always a large opne area with no people in front of it. (See they DO serve a purpose!) Being a GWM and having known some GWM-Republicans over the years – my universal experience with them is that they are usually obssessed with their money (I’m not talking about a healthy and expected concern – I’m talking OBSSESSION!) and are often quite racist as well. They want to be “pro-gay” but are far more conerned with feeling like a superior race of people and have convinced themselves of the rather erroneous belief that Republicans are actualy good for their bottom line. Considering the financial state the country was left in when Clinton departed vs. the state we will be in when Bush leaves – that argument is pretty much shot to hell. They also are obssessed with the belief that extraordinary amounts of people are getting free money they don’t deserve. While there certainly is some abuse in that regard – those figures PALE in comparison to the Republican CEO’s who get multi-million dollar bonuses and leave their employees 401K’s bankrupt. Filthy rich Republican attorney’s who yes, in fact, do effect the laws that are passed – usually laws that benefit THEM and screw the middle and lower classes. An article by Wayne Besen yesterday made me curious about Manhunt.net and now your article has made me certain to stay as far away as possible! Thanks James!

  • David Wimberly Said: August 14th, 2008 at 10:58 am
    • These posts are not surprising. Of course the Dem’s pay better lip service to our rights than the Republicans do but that doesn’t make them better for all gay people. This man is wealthy…that is why he wants McCain to win. McCain is not antigay by the way..in fact his marriage position is the same as Obama’s and Obama belongs to the christian cult, which does more harm to us than politicians can ever do.

      The republican idea is not evil…it is the right wing christians who have taken over the platform. If I quit the party I’m conceding defeat. I don’t quit.

      But McCain IS for low taxes and limited government, something very, very important to me. Gay rights just are not the only issues out there.

      The current republicans really are dangerous…who they want to appoint to the bench and their war-mongering and religious-baiting the most concerning of their actions, but that doesn’t mean every one of them is bad, or all Dems are good.

      I won’t vote for a gay-basher. Often I end up abstaining as I can’t vote for either candidate.

      Similarly I won’t vote for someone who will raise my taxes, or advocates “tax the rich” or wants to tax my inheritance which is double-dipping, just like I won’t vote for a bigot.

      I feel sorry for all you one issue gays. Does being gay describe your every waking moment? Don’t you have more of a life?. It is a struggle to be multifaceted in today’s black/white political world, but a struggle worth having.

  • Mark in Florida Said: August 14th, 2008 at 11:03 am
    • Well Said Louis. Perfect.

  • Chris Sullivan Said: August 14th, 2008 at 11:13 am
    • David, the only post on this topic that is NOT surprising is your own. Amazing what people can rationalize.

  • Robert, NYC Said: August 14th, 2008 at 11:24 am
    • All this talk about lower taxes, one of the mantras of republican politics. This is the party that lambasts any semblance of socialized programs, yet is quite hypocritical when it comes to programs that we take for granted and that are socialized such as, public school system, libraries, police/fire departments, the military, medicare, medicaid. Republican and democratic politicians receive free health care when they retire, for life. If republicans, in particular gay republicans are for lower taxes, then how are they going to pay for the services I mentioned above? The reason why health care for example is in dissaray is a result of privatization, price gouging and many doctors who are taking advantage of the system by padding bills while the health insurance industry takes advantage of that and ups its premiums. Let some of those wealthy republicans lose their wealth and their jobs and ask them what they’d do to get access to health care with no financial resources to fall back on or lose their home as a result of a catastrophic illness in order to get any kind of health care that is so vital to their lives. The GOP is nothing more than a selfish party of greed and hate, nothing more. Log Cabins actually believe that they can change their party from within. Where is the evidence for that over the past 50 years? Yes, McCain and Obama are against marriage equality, but Obama supports any state that enacts marriage equality legislation and would never try to overturn it. McCain would rather support right wing christo fascists who are currently pushing for proposition 8 in California just so that he can get enough votes to defeat a democrat.

  • jibii Said: August 14th, 2008 at 11:44 am
    • Nice to see the other side of things when it comes to politics in our community. I always hate being mistaken for a democrat just because I’m gay. But that doesn’t mean I’m supportive of Republicans either. (which is why this country really needs more than just a two-party system) Thanks for sharing the news on gay conservatives.

      Also- well said, David, thanks!

  • Michael in Lexington, SC Said: August 14th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
    • Chris and Louis said it all! I guess it’s back to gay.com for me. It would be wonderful if members of Manhunt.net started to cancel their memberships. Funny here I am living in on of the most republican states fighting for the rights and for services for GLBT citizens and the owner of one of the biggest gay websites is a repub supporter. Just goes to show that if you have enough money, you can buy anything, including a soul.

  • Chris Sullivan Said: August 14th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
    • Yes, Jibii – God forbid you be mistaken for belonging to the ONLY party that actually supports gay rites and not for the party that actively seeks to undermine gay rites! How unfair of other gay people to presume that you support the only party that supports you. Why, they might even presume that you have Gay Pride! SHOCKING!

  • Matt Said: August 14th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
    • McCain taking gay-sex $$ – It can only help Obama

  • Mark Said: August 14th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
    • You are right Michael. Jonathan Crutchley has a right to his personal opinion, and we all have the right not to support it.

      Let’s say solong to Manhunt.net

  • Patric Said: August 14th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
    • I have no idea why the operators of this site thought it was necessary to hire a blogger who is a regular apologist for John McBush and the Republican Party. Despite all those poorly-informed individuals who want to label McSame a “moderate” on gay equality issues because of a single vote during his 30 year history in Congress (his vote against the FMA), the facts remain that, to cite a few of many more available examples, (i) he has otherwise consistently voted against equality for gay people over the course of the past few decades, (ii) he took the extreme measure of taping television advertisements in support of an anti-gay amendment to Arizona’s state constitution in 2006, (iii) he wrote a letter this summer expressing his support for the pending proposed anti-gay amendment to California’s state constitution (while Senator Obama has publicly expressed his opposition to the same anti-gay amendment), (iv) he opposes ENDA, the federal non-discrimination act which has the support of the vast majority of the public and even many Republican members of Congress, (v) he opposes the right of gay people to serve openly in the military and (vi) he has recently expressed that he doesn’t believe that adoption should be made available to gay parents. With “moderates” like these, who needs enemies? David Wimberly below displays an unsurprising level of ignorance in claiming that McSame’s position on marriage equality is identical to Senator Obama’s though, as Chris Sullivan suggests, we probably should not be surprised at the capacity of Log Cabin Republicans to rationalize their self-loathing and insanity. Though it is true that Senator Obama has not endorsed full marriage equality (though he has come closer to doing so than any other leading contender for President, taking that position at this time would likely doom him in key states like Virginia and Ohio), he has repeatedly expressed his support for a full repeal of DOMA and also expressed his opposition to the pending anti-gay amendment to California’s state constitution, both positions on which his stands are dramatically different than McBush’s. Everyone on both sides of this issue understands very well that, if marriage equality in the nation’s largest state becomes accessible to couples throughout the country and DOMA is repealed, the floodgates will have been opened. How someone views Senator Obama’s positions on marriage equality as “the same” as McSame’s against the background of those facts is beyond me but I again have to give the Log Cabin types credit for their amazing capacity to convince themselves that the likes of George W. Bush and John McBush are their friends!

      As for the suggestion of Mr. Withers that our community is enriched by the inclusion of Log Cabin types, I couldn’t disagree more strongly. These types always defend their behavior by suggesting that we need a voice in the Republican Party so that we can slowly bring them along toward support of greater equality for gay and lesbian individuals and, if there was a single shred of evidence that the financial and other contributions of Log Cabin types over the years to the likes of Bob Dole and George W. Bush and others had indeed resulted in a moderation of the stances taken by the Republican Party, I might see their point. The facts are clear, though: the actions of the gay and lesbian Floridians and Ohioans and others who voted for Shrub in 2000 and 2004 have only produced horrendous results for the rest of the world, including certainly gay and lesbian people, and have not slowed one bit the rush of the Republican Party to adopt increasingly mean-spirited and bigoted positions toward gay and lesbian people. We were used as a prop by Karl Rove and Shrub in 2004 to get out their evangelical base, with no concern for the consequences those strategies might have on the lives of gay and lesbian youth and others, and McBush has made it clear that, in order to get the votes of the fundies, he’s just as willing to embrace every anti-gay measure that anyone on the right wishes to propose. I couldn’t disagree more strongly with someone who suggests that our community is enriched by those who support the party whose leaders are the generals in the cultural war being waged on us. We need to work to make the Democratic party even more supportive of our rights to equality (or, for those who prefer, work to build the support of pro-equality third parties) but certainly not lend our financial resources or votes to a party whose platform is chock full of bigotry and efforts to appeal to the basest instincts of bigoted individuals.

  • Erick Said: August 14th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    • LGBT VOTERS SHOULD BOYCOTT MANHUNT.NET
      It defies reason that some LGBT voters would support the Republican party despite that party’s opposition to equal rights. Take a look at the 20 or so states that have passed equality (anti-discrimination) laws. Those laws passed when Democrats had control of the legislative and executive branches. In states with a Republican governor or where Republicans controlled at least one house of the state legislature – equality legislation went nowhere. The same applie for legislation recognizing same-sex relationships (domestic partnerships, civil union, and marriage).
      The judges who rule in our favor in state and federal cases are usually appointed by Democrats. Republican judicial appointees ususally hurt us. Especially at the Court of Appeals and Supreme Court level. (i.e. Scalia, Roberts, Thomas, Alito). Also, remember the Republican response to the AIDS crisis in the 80s?
      It’s offensive that a businessman like Jonathan Crutchly gives some of the money he makes off of us to persons who are out to hurt us. The LGBT community should boycott manhunt.net. There are other websites out there that can take its place.

 
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