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		<title>By: montrealbren</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/070909-will-we-ever-be-happy/comment-page-2/#comment-67725</link>
		<dc:creator>montrealbren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Withers
Thank you so much for your commentary. I am 100% behind you in calling on our community to balance its rhetoric. I cringe at the middle-school nastiness that shows up in the comments on this site, though I appreciate getting a reasonable roundup of news and views. 

I also appreciate your acknowledgment that our fight for equality will take more time. For that long-haul struggle, we need stubbornly optimistic voices - not just the fury of the flighty Perez Limbaugh. We will burn out too quickly if rage is our only fuel. 

Thanks for addressing these 2 important issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Withers<br />
Thank you so much for your commentary. I am 100% behind you in calling on our community to balance its rhetoric. I cringe at the middle-school nastiness that shows up in the comments on this site, though I appreciate getting a reasonable roundup of news and views. </p>
<p>I also appreciate your acknowledgment that our fight for equality will take more time. For that long-haul struggle, we need stubbornly optimistic voices &#8211; not just the fury of the flighty Perez Limbaugh. We will burn out too quickly if rage is our only fuel. </p>
<p>Thanks for addressing these 2 important issues.</p>
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		<title>By: James Withers</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J Bruce,

&quot;Be very careful about how you are judging me and my behavior- it reflects on your own belief structure. I am the thorn in their side. And yours.&quot;

Whatever. If you think calling a woman a &quot;bitch&quot; is some type of high-minded political calling, have fun. We are clearly not fighting the same battles.

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Bruce,</p>
<p>&#8220;Be very careful about how you are judging me and my behavior- it reflects on your own belief structure. I am the thorn in their side. And yours.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whatever. If you think calling a woman a &#8220;bitch&#8221; is some type of high-minded political calling, have fun. We are clearly not fighting the same battles.</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: J. Bruce Wilcox</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/070909-will-we-ever-be-happy/comment-page-2/#comment-67632</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Bruce Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James-

Sometimes you fight fire WITH FIRE. You can disagree with this statement for eternity- but it will still hold true.

People like Sally Kern have been raised with a belief structure that they refuse to question- usually provided by a religion/culture in which they&#039;ve decided to label me/us as shall we say- the DEVIL&#039;S SPAWN. I am in fact an accomplished human being with feelings- but as the devil&#039;s spawn I am reduced to a non-human with NO FEELINGS.

This is in fact- A JUDGMENT- but rarely can they see this as such- because their BOOK told them so. They are so immersed in their belief structure they can&#039;t see their way out of a paper bag.

What they expect is that all fags are victims living in shame and guilt- and therefore- such guilty faggots would never think to do anything like get all up in their faces and hand their shit right back to them- BUT I DO. And I do because I CAN. And it shocks them.

I love myself- thank you. Internalized homophobia is self-hate. Ms Kern and her ilk think we are all running around loathing ourselves because they base their ASSumptions on their own beliefs. The last thing I&#039;m doing is loathing myself. I like me sexuality. I like my orientation- and my gender expression and my actual sexual behavior- and I am completely committed to how my sexuality and my spiritually and my creativity are all at play in an unfolding way.

But guess what? In fact- since you are obviously ALSO still caught up in the judgment-based situation where you are judging me as a bigot because I &#039;seem&#039; to be behaving JUST LIKE THEY ARE- because I have the balls to hand their shit back to them- well you can see where that&#039;s going.

They base their behavior on the idea that NO faggot is going to push their buttons- that in fact- NO faggot could.

I am not a victim. I don&#039;t tolerate intolerance. I don&#039;t need them or their shit. I don&#039;t have to play nice. AND- I can quite easily shove their shit right back up their own asses.

Thanks.

Be very careful about how you are judging me and my behavior- it reflects on your own belief structure. I am the thorn in their side. And yours.

And I&#039;m having fun with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James-</p>
<p>Sometimes you fight fire WITH FIRE. You can disagree with this statement for eternity- but it will still hold true.</p>
<p>People like Sally Kern have been raised with a belief structure that they refuse to question- usually provided by a religion/culture in which they&#8217;ve decided to label me/us as shall we say- the DEVIL&#8217;S SPAWN. I am in fact an accomplished human being with feelings- but as the devil&#8217;s spawn I am reduced to a non-human with NO FEELINGS.</p>
<p>This is in fact- A JUDGMENT- but rarely can they see this as such- because their BOOK told them so. They are so immersed in their belief structure they can&#8217;t see their way out of a paper bag.</p>
<p>What they expect is that all fags are victims living in shame and guilt- and therefore- such guilty faggots would never think to do anything like get all up in their faces and hand their shit right back to them- BUT I DO. And I do because I CAN. And it shocks them.</p>
<p>I love myself- thank you. Internalized homophobia is self-hate. Ms Kern and her ilk think we are all running around loathing ourselves because they base their ASSumptions on their own beliefs. The last thing I&#8217;m doing is loathing myself. I like me sexuality. I like my orientation- and my gender expression and my actual sexual behavior- and I am completely committed to how my sexuality and my spiritually and my creativity are all at play in an unfolding way.</p>
<p>But guess what? In fact- since you are obviously ALSO still caught up in the judgment-based situation where you are judging me as a bigot because I &#8217;seem&#8217; to be behaving JUST LIKE THEY ARE- because I have the balls to hand their shit back to them- well you can see where that&#8217;s going.</p>
<p>They base their behavior on the idea that NO faggot is going to push their buttons- that in fact- NO faggot could.</p>
<p>I am not a victim. I don&#8217;t tolerate intolerance. I don&#8217;t need them or their shit. I don&#8217;t have to play nice. AND- I can quite easily shove their shit right back up their own asses.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Be very careful about how you are judging me and my behavior- it reflects on your own belief structure. I am the thorn in their side. And yours.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m having fun with it!</p>
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		<title>By: jamesnimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamesnimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juicing the Fruits
 
by James Nimmo
 
(OKLAHOMA CITY)  I&#039;m sure the sham of appearing at the Capitol and giving the impression this is a legislative procedure is exactly what was intended when GOPer Sally Kern and Krew planned their morality proclamation ceremony on July 2 in Oklahoma City.
 
If she were interested in promoting only morality and not instead, introducing her personal religious restrictions, why isn&#039;t she using her own church, Olivett Baptist, as her backdrop?
 
As always with the mentally unbalanced words and actions are morphed into absurd definitions and shapes.  Lies to support other lies are always invented, regardless of how holy the intent of the lies is supposed to be. 
 
She speaks of divorce as contributing to national decline.  How short her memory is for anything except bible verses.
 
Kern&#039;s patron saint, Ronald Reagan, was divorced, as is Newt Gingrich and Rumbaugh twice each.  Sen. Vitter of LA likes diaper sex with paid escorts and Gov. Sandford of SC abandons his family and state duties to amorize in Argentina.  Gov. Palin of AK can&#039;t teach her eldest daughter to say simple words like, &quot;No&quot;.
 
When you don&#039;t set yourself up on a high soap box in the first place and then mistake it for a psychiatrist&#039;s office you don&#039;t have to fall so inevitably far when you come up short in your own life.
 
Kern should spend more time looking at the fruit falling close to her family tree ( http://tinyurl.com/krahr9 ) before she tries to juice the private lives of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juicing the Fruits</p>
<p>by James Nimmo</p>
<p>(OKLAHOMA CITY)  I&#8217;m sure the sham of appearing at the Capitol and giving the impression this is a legislative procedure is exactly what was intended when GOPer Sally Kern and Krew planned their morality proclamation ceremony on July 2 in Oklahoma City.</p>
<p>If she were interested in promoting only morality and not instead, introducing her personal religious restrictions, why isn&#8217;t she using her own church, Olivett Baptist, as her backdrop?</p>
<p>As always with the mentally unbalanced words and actions are morphed into absurd definitions and shapes.  Lies to support other lies are always invented, regardless of how holy the intent of the lies is supposed to be. </p>
<p>She speaks of divorce as contributing to national decline.  How short her memory is for anything except bible verses.</p>
<p>Kern&#8217;s patron saint, Ronald Reagan, was divorced, as is Newt Gingrich and Rumbaugh twice each.  Sen. Vitter of LA likes diaper sex with paid escorts and Gov. Sandford of SC abandons his family and state duties to amorize in Argentina.  Gov. Palin of AK can&#8217;t teach her eldest daughter to say simple words like, &#8220;No&#8221;.</p>
<p>When you don&#8217;t set yourself up on a high soap box in the first place and then mistake it for a psychiatrist&#8217;s office you don&#8217;t have to fall so inevitably far when you come up short in your own life.</p>
<p>Kern should spend more time looking at the fruit falling close to her family tree ( <a href="http://tinyurl.com/krahr9" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/krahr9</a> ) before she tries to juice the private lives of others.</p>
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		<title>By: James Withers</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/070909-will-we-ever-be-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-67564</link>
		<dc:creator>James Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J Bruce,

&quot;James- why is handing right back to them what they are putting out not ok?&quot;

Because you don&#039;t fight bigotry with more of the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Bruce,</p>
<p>&#8220;James- why is handing right back to them what they are putting out not ok?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because you don&#8217;t fight bigotry with more of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Bruce Wilcox</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/070909-will-we-ever-be-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-67562</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Bruce Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James- why is handing right back to them what they are putting out not ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James- why is handing right back to them what they are putting out not ok?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely right!  One step at a time and one battle at a time.  We will win the war although we may suffer a few defeats along the way.  That is how ever civil right has been won. The movement is too strong not to win.  We have political movement and a growing grassroots movement to keep it on a high profile.  Time is on our side.  Keep the faith my friends.  Victory is around corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely right!  One step at a time and one battle at a time.  We will win the war although we may suffer a few defeats along the way.  That is how ever civil right has been won. The movement is too strong not to win.  We have political movement and a growing grassroots movement to keep it on a high profile.  Time is on our side.  Keep the faith my friends.  Victory is around corner.</p>
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		<title>By: R &#38; R</title>
		<link>http://www.365gay.com/blog/070909-will-we-ever-be-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-67511</link>
		<dc:creator>R &#38; R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder (and will never know, of course) what my (dyke) mother would have to say about all of this considering one of her favorite pharase when referring to a female that bugged that hell out of her as a &quot;dumb &#039;C&#039;&quot; or just a &quot;DC?&quot;   I think she would probably use one of her other favorite phrases: &quot;oh, do me a favor and stick it up your ass.&quot;  Having spent the WWII years working in the shipyards in San Pedro CA she learned a lot of interesting phrases and being a butch les was not afraid to use any of them.  Her reasoning was that if you were insulted or hurt or offended then you had the problem, she didn&#039;t.  I suspect if she could (may be doing so from up there some where) read these comments she might  say &quot;what a bunch of pissy fruits.&quot;  I think I would agree with her!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder (and will never know, of course) what my (dyke) mother would have to say about all of this considering one of her favorite pharase when referring to a female that bugged that hell out of her as a &#8220;dumb &#8216;C&#8217;&#8221; or just a &#8220;DC?&#8221;   I think she would probably use one of her other favorite phrases: &#8220;oh, do me a favor and stick it up your ass.&#8221;  Having spent the WWII years working in the shipyards in San Pedro CA she learned a lot of interesting phrases and being a butch les was not afraid to use any of them.  Her reasoning was that if you were insulted or hurt or offended then you had the problem, she didn&#8217;t.  I suspect if she could (may be doing so from up there some where) read these comments she might  say &#8220;what a bunch of pissy fruits.&#8221;  I think I would agree with her!</p>
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		<title>By: interested</title>
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		<dc:creator>interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I agree with Mr. Withers. I used to read every comment to the articles which interested me, but, over time, I&#039;ve learned that many are simply better to skip.

Racist and mysogynistic language are easy targets to dismiss someone. A surprising amount of the LGB population is transphoic. A surprising amount of the LGT community is biphobic. Ts who hate LGBs. Etc, etc. Then they are the constant comments by people in cities they think are progressive dismissing whole states along with any LGBTs who choose to live in them. And on and on.

Worse is that after reading any article I can predict what a large portion of the comments are going to say. &quot;It&#039;s time to fight back with violence. All this time since Stonewall and we&#039;ve gotten nowhere. All religions are evil. No politician (including gay ones) has ever helped us.&quot; Etc, etc. I want to give people room to be upset, and I certainly understanding the impulse to engage in cheerleading, but sometimes a little nuance is a very good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I agree with Mr. Withers. I used to read every comment to the articles which interested me, but, over time, I&#8217;ve learned that many are simply better to skip.</p>
<p>Racist and mysogynistic language are easy targets to dismiss someone. A surprising amount of the LGB population is transphoic. A surprising amount of the LGT community is biphobic. Ts who hate LGBs. Etc, etc. Then they are the constant comments by people in cities they think are progressive dismissing whole states along with any LGBTs who choose to live in them. And on and on.</p>
<p>Worse is that after reading any article I can predict what a large portion of the comments are going to say. &#8220;It&#8217;s time to fight back with violence. All this time since Stonewall and we&#8217;ve gotten nowhere. All religions are evil. No politician (including gay ones) has ever helped us.&#8221; Etc, etc. I want to give people room to be upset, and I certainly understanding the impulse to engage in cheerleading, but sometimes a little nuance is a very good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I do agree with you, however I think you only scratched the surface of this subject.  I too become tired of the sexist comments that are too frequently used here and at other sights; referring to males, females and other minorities—it really shows the ignorance of the poster/blogger—a blazing attempt to rouster the anger in “the troops” and the community as a whole; in fact, the words do neither: rouster nor mobilize “the troops”.   I look at as: posters and bloggers are effectively--lazy.  Now, before I get deriled for what I’m about to say in Bloggerville, think of it this way:  English, over the last 1,000 years has evolved to where there are so many well-fitted adjectives that would better describe, for example, Sally Kern, than would typing the “c-word” or “b-word”. I personally think that the “c-word” is never appropriate in any context; in any situation.  The “b-word” is appropriate if you’re at a dog show.  My suggestion is a simple one: before one types a sexist remark (ladies and gentlemen), consult a Thesaurus prior to a sexist rant—I guarantee you, there are much better, and more powerful adjectives that won’t make your rant fall flat and inevitably on deaf ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I do agree with you, however I think you only scratched the surface of this subject.  I too become tired of the sexist comments that are too frequently used here and at other sights; referring to males, females and other minorities—it really shows the ignorance of the poster/blogger—a blazing attempt to rouster the anger in “the troops” and the community as a whole; in fact, the words do neither: rouster nor mobilize “the troops”.   I look at as: posters and bloggers are effectively&#8211;lazy.  Now, before I get deriled for what I’m about to say in Bloggerville, think of it this way:  English, over the last 1,000 years has evolved to where there are so many well-fitted adjectives that would better describe, for example, Sally Kern, than would typing the “c-word” or “b-word”. I personally think that the “c-word” is never appropriate in any context; in any situation.  The “b-word” is appropriate if you’re at a dog show.  My suggestion is a simple one: before one types a sexist remark (ladies and gentlemen), consult a Thesaurus prior to a sexist rant—I guarantee you, there are much better, and more powerful adjectives that won’t make your rant fall flat and inevitably on deaf ears.</p>
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