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		<title>By: BRUCE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRUCE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the differences between the Repubs and the Dems are few.

Really I believe that there is one train of thought in the USA and you elect the guy you want to express that view.

Once the Hispanic Catholic vote eclipses the black vote .... you will see how the visible minorities embrace racism.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the differences between the Repubs and the Dems are few.</p>
<p>Really I believe that there is one train of thought in the USA and you elect the guy you want to express that view.</p>
<p>Once the Hispanic Catholic vote eclipses the black vote &#8230;. you will see how the visible minorities embrace racism.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.365gay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RJLigier</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJLigier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much to everyone&#039;s chagrin, she&#039;s not responsible for neurotic individuals espousing racial hostility. As is happening on the national and grassroots level, this is a battle between conservatives and liberals. It&#039;s nothing more than that. Absent collusion, he who is most persuasive wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much to everyone&#8217;s chagrin, she&#8217;s not responsible for neurotic individuals espousing racial hostility. As is happening on the national and grassroots level, this is a battle between conservatives and liberals. It&#8217;s nothing more than that. Absent collusion, he who is most persuasive wins.</p>
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		<title>By: walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The party of Lincoln has become the party that would resemble the 50&#039;s Democrats with old solid sputh. A party of racists homophobes and anyone who isn&#039;t wasp I have never aparty at all levels spew such bullshit in life I have oted republican for 40 years but will never do it again As a matter of fact i am changing party enrollment and the last the republicans came to my house for petitons I threw them off my propertyThe cast of characters for republicans is scary They talk family value but it doesnt mean for them audultery bath room sex chasing under age pages  In all honesty the republicans had better wise o they won&#039;t even be a third party It is morally bankrupt at all levels Federal State and local.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The party of Lincoln has become the party that would resemble the 50&#8217;s Democrats with old solid sputh. A party of racists homophobes and anyone who isn&#8217;t wasp I have never aparty at all levels spew such bullshit in life I have oted republican for 40 years but will never do it again As a matter of fact i am changing party enrollment and the last the republicans came to my house for petitons I threw them off my propertyThe cast of characters for republicans is scary They talk family value but it doesnt mean for them audultery bath room sex chasing under age pages  In all honesty the republicans had better wise o they won&#8217;t even be a third party It is morally bankrupt at all levels Federal State and local.</p>
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		<title>By: tjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Rodney Moore, Arnold vetoed same-sex marriage TWICE! A republican is a republican</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Rodney Moore, Arnold vetoed same-sex marriage TWICE! A republican is a republican</p>
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		<title>By: tjr</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney Moore said...&quot; I hope the GOP moderates its stance on gays and lesbians. That the GOP listens to the Log Cabin Republicans, Meghan McCain, Arnold Schwarzennegger(except fiscal matters), Ward Connerly and the like&quot;
Thats a fantasy never to be realized. The GOP right now are the crazies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney Moore said&#8230;&#8221; I hope the GOP moderates its stance on gays and lesbians. That the GOP listens to the Log Cabin Republicans, Meghan McCain, Arnold Schwarzennegger(except fiscal matters), Ward Connerly and the like&#8221;<br />
Thats a fantasy never to be realized. The GOP right now are the crazies.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I see it Republicans need some issue to satisfy social conservatives, either they give up their opposition to abortion or to same-sex marriage. I prefer that they give up their opposition to marriage equality for many reasons, and there is a pro-life Republican who is the poster child(quite literally) in Meghan McCain. And contrary to what many feminists might like to think, gays and lesbians aren`t all rabid pro-choicers. My representative in Boston is a pro-life, Catholic Democrat who voted for marriage equality. And I knew Republican folks in Massachusetts who fell into the same category. 

Alot of gay white people, both male and female have strong self-reliance streaks. Many gay and lesbian folks grew up seeing how Democrats would promise the sun, moon and stars yet would never deliver. Many gay and lesbian people are quite fiscally and even socially conservative. This is what draws them to the GOP, much in the same way I go the other direction, since I am a Socialist. To be fair, the GOP`s core consituency of small government conservatives and big business types are NOT the reactionaries, those are the Dixiecrats who left the Democratic Party, Christian Right and blue collar conservatives(ie Bill O`Reilly). Many of the Blue collar conservative types are the kind of people who work their entire lives, who believe in helping people who merit it(ie lower class kids in college) but who balk at the idea that being white means they`re privileged or that being black(or whatever other ethnic minority) means that you`re disadvantaged. Many of these poorer or middle class GOP voters often have gay kids, and they love their gay kids and want them to have the chance to go to school and have equal rights. They might not like watching a gay pride parade and they often have a low negro tolerance level(as most people do, even if they don`t admit it), yet they`re not the demons which Democrats like to portray. 

In the North East and in California, there are Republican voters who are working class, listen to Lou Dobbs, can`t stand Mexican immigrants taking jobs and they can`t stand the blacks ruining their property values and neighborhoods. Yet these very same white blue collar Republican voters, especially those in California voted en masse against Prop 8, while essentially every ethnic minority except the Jews voted for it. 

In Québec where I live, there were typical Parti Québécois voters who voted for Action Démocratique du Québec(center right party). Many of these voters were blue collar, unilingual francophones and poorer voters. They rejected the multi-culturalization of the Parti Québécois. Québécois de souche(typical average joes) have gotten sick of immigrants who move to Québec, refuse to learn French and respect the local values. And the experiment of allowing an open door policy on immigration from francophone Africa and Haiti has backfired, Montréal is dealing with gang-violence it`s never seen before, petty thefts, people are actually buying home alarm systems in a city where people used to leave their doors unlocked.

I am a political scientist and a linguist(in the truest sense of the word), and I feel that there always has to be a party like the GOP in the states, ADQ in Québec, Conservatives in English Canada, the «Liberals» in Australia or otherwise the void will be filled by political parties like the British National Party(UK) or Le Front National(France). The problem in the states, is that there is no left-wing party at all, The GOP is right-wing and the Democrats are center-right. This kind of lack of political choice could give rise to a «third» party, which combines right wing elements and left-wing elements(Imagine Lou Dobbs with teeth). White working class people in the US have never been too class conscious, but they have a valid and legitimate resentment of ethnic minorities(ie blacks) who not only get help when they`re poor, but also when their well off. Many of these white working class families see rich black kids get scholarships to go to Harvard and get extra points for being black, while their kids who are poor, smart and more deserving have to go to a community college cos that`s all their family can afford. 

Another example, Louisiana. In Louisiana in 1991, David Duke won the 1st round of the elections with just around 30%, yet in Louisiana you have to get 50% plus one, to be governor, so he(a Klansman) and Edwin Edwards(a legitimate criminal, pedophile and tyrant) were pit against each other in an election in which bumper stickers said (Vote for the Crook not the Klan, it`s important). This was the era of Rodney King, for those of you who remember, and quite a few whites who wouldn`t mention it in public voted for David Duke. Most white people were embarassed by the election and all kinds of GOP dignitaries came out of the wood work to denounce David Duke, from George Bush(Sr) to David Treen(GOP gov who lost re-election). There were creoles and jews who voted for David Duke, because they were sick of black shenanigans and many were driven out the city of New Orleans due to crime, riots and crapy black runned infrastructure(Katrina ring a bell). Of course a multi-cultural, trans-partisan coalition got Edwards elected, yet David Duke won the white vote. David Duke&#039;s vote transcended class, religious(catholic vs protestant), anglo-vs-franco-vs-latin lines, etc. Many of the people who voted for Duke didn&#039;t agree with him on everything, and there were also white voters for Edwards who agreed with Duke on quite a bit. There needs to be a party, which serves as a safety valve, as a party of protest, especially when it comes to the excesses of HomophObama and minorities. As a gay American, a minority myself, gays aren&#039;t asking for special rights, free ride scholarships, extra points on a college entrance exam or affirmative action so we don&#039;t have to meet the same standards as our heterosexual counterparts. We&#039;re asking for simple to the point equal rights and opportunity under the law. Other minorities(ie blacks) and feminists have ceased asking for equality, but are not looking to impose a rigid South African style Affirmative Action upon America, which will in the end, turn America into what South Africa has become. There are exceptions, there are those like Ward Connerly who opposes affirmative action based on principal and by that very same principle supports marriage equality. But per every Ward Connerly, we have people like Mr Withers who labels every white person racist because we don&#039;t believe blacks are the creme de la creme of humanity. All we need do is look at Prop 8 in California, Amendment 2 in Florida, where African Americans voted EN MASSE for both of these acts of legislative terrorism. 

So in closing my rambling, I hope the GOP moderates its stance on gays and lesbians. That the GOP listens to the Log Cabin Republicans, Meghan McCain, Arnold Schwarzennegger(except fiscal matters), Ward Connerly and the like. This multi-racial kumbaya coalition of homophobes proposed by the Chairman Steele would make HomophObama actually look like our ally, and this is a scary propisition. The GOP needs to avoid the mistakes of the Democratic Party, when it comes to embracing radical multi-racial politics. White working class voters abandoned the Democratic Party in the South, Midwest and the process is beginning in earnest in the North East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it Republicans need some issue to satisfy social conservatives, either they give up their opposition to abortion or to same-sex marriage. I prefer that they give up their opposition to marriage equality for many reasons, and there is a pro-life Republican who is the poster child(quite literally) in Meghan McCain. And contrary to what many feminists might like to think, gays and lesbians aren`t all rabid pro-choicers. My representative in Boston is a pro-life, Catholic Democrat who voted for marriage equality. And I knew Republican folks in Massachusetts who fell into the same category. </p>
<p>Alot of gay white people, both male and female have strong self-reliance streaks. Many gay and lesbian folks grew up seeing how Democrats would promise the sun, moon and stars yet would never deliver. Many gay and lesbian people are quite fiscally and even socially conservative. This is what draws them to the GOP, much in the same way I go the other direction, since I am a Socialist. To be fair, the GOP`s core consituency of small government conservatives and big business types are NOT the reactionaries, those are the Dixiecrats who left the Democratic Party, Christian Right and blue collar conservatives(ie Bill O`Reilly). Many of the Blue collar conservative types are the kind of people who work their entire lives, who believe in helping people who merit it(ie lower class kids in college) but who balk at the idea that being white means they`re privileged or that being black(or whatever other ethnic minority) means that you`re disadvantaged. Many of these poorer or middle class GOP voters often have gay kids, and they love their gay kids and want them to have the chance to go to school and have equal rights. They might not like watching a gay pride parade and they often have a low negro tolerance level(as most people do, even if they don`t admit it), yet they`re not the demons which Democrats like to portray. </p>
<p>In the North East and in California, there are Republican voters who are working class, listen to Lou Dobbs, can`t stand Mexican immigrants taking jobs and they can`t stand the blacks ruining their property values and neighborhoods. Yet these very same white blue collar Republican voters, especially those in California voted en masse against Prop 8, while essentially every ethnic minority except the Jews voted for it. </p>
<p>In Québec where I live, there were typical Parti Québécois voters who voted for Action Démocratique du Québec(center right party). Many of these voters were blue collar, unilingual francophones and poorer voters. They rejected the multi-culturalization of the Parti Québécois. Québécois de souche(typical average joes) have gotten sick of immigrants who move to Québec, refuse to learn French and respect the local values. And the experiment of allowing an open door policy on immigration from francophone Africa and Haiti has backfired, Montréal is dealing with gang-violence it`s never seen before, petty thefts, people are actually buying home alarm systems in a city where people used to leave their doors unlocked.</p>
<p>I am a political scientist and a linguist(in the truest sense of the word), and I feel that there always has to be a party like the GOP in the states, ADQ in Québec, Conservatives in English Canada, the «Liberals» in Australia or otherwise the void will be filled by political parties like the British National Party(UK) or Le Front National(France). The problem in the states, is that there is no left-wing party at all, The GOP is right-wing and the Democrats are center-right. This kind of lack of political choice could give rise to a «third» party, which combines right wing elements and left-wing elements(Imagine Lou Dobbs with teeth). White working class people in the US have never been too class conscious, but they have a valid and legitimate resentment of ethnic minorities(ie blacks) who not only get help when they`re poor, but also when their well off. Many of these white working class families see rich black kids get scholarships to go to Harvard and get extra points for being black, while their kids who are poor, smart and more deserving have to go to a community college cos that`s all their family can afford. </p>
<p>Another example, Louisiana. In Louisiana in 1991, David Duke won the 1st round of the elections with just around 30%, yet in Louisiana you have to get 50% plus one, to be governor, so he(a Klansman) and Edwin Edwards(a legitimate criminal, pedophile and tyrant) were pit against each other in an election in which bumper stickers said (Vote for the Crook not the Klan, it`s important). This was the era of Rodney King, for those of you who remember, and quite a few whites who wouldn`t mention it in public voted for David Duke. Most white people were embarassed by the election and all kinds of GOP dignitaries came out of the wood work to denounce David Duke, from George Bush(Sr) to David Treen(GOP gov who lost re-election). There were creoles and jews who voted for David Duke, because they were sick of black shenanigans and many were driven out the city of New Orleans due to crime, riots and crapy black runned infrastructure(Katrina ring a bell). Of course a multi-cultural, trans-partisan coalition got Edwards elected, yet David Duke won the white vote. David Duke&#8217;s vote transcended class, religious(catholic vs protestant), anglo-vs-franco-vs-latin lines, etc. Many of the people who voted for Duke didn&#8217;t agree with him on everything, and there were also white voters for Edwards who agreed with Duke on quite a bit. There needs to be a party, which serves as a safety valve, as a party of protest, especially when it comes to the excesses of HomophObama and minorities. As a gay American, a minority myself, gays aren&#8217;t asking for special rights, free ride scholarships, extra points on a college entrance exam or affirmative action so we don&#8217;t have to meet the same standards as our heterosexual counterparts. We&#8217;re asking for simple to the point equal rights and opportunity under the law. Other minorities(ie blacks) and feminists have ceased asking for equality, but are not looking to impose a rigid South African style Affirmative Action upon America, which will in the end, turn America into what South Africa has become. There are exceptions, there are those like Ward Connerly who opposes affirmative action based on principal and by that very same principle supports marriage equality. But per every Ward Connerly, we have people like Mr Withers who labels every white person racist because we don&#8217;t believe blacks are the creme de la creme of humanity. All we need do is look at Prop 8 in California, Amendment 2 in Florida, where African Americans voted EN MASSE for both of these acts of legislative terrorism. </p>
<p>So in closing my rambling, I hope the GOP moderates its stance on gays and lesbians. That the GOP listens to the Log Cabin Republicans, Meghan McCain, Arnold Schwarzennegger(except fiscal matters), Ward Connerly and the like. This multi-racial kumbaya coalition of homophobes proposed by the Chairman Steele would make HomophObama actually look like our ally, and this is a scary propisition. The GOP needs to avoid the mistakes of the Democratic Party, when it comes to embracing radical multi-racial politics. White working class voters abandoned the Democratic Party in the South, Midwest and the process is beginning in earnest in the North East.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor J Kinzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor J Kinzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhere in there a core of wanting government to stay out of individuals lives, and promoting fiscal responsibility, and promoting business lives.  Somewhere, deep deep down in the belly of the beast.  I would love it if some of them could find that core.  Especially the part about people being allowed to live their own lives the way they want without others telling them it&#039;s wrong.  I&#039;m all about that part, but I forget that the only people who are privy to that particular &quot;right&quot; are the people they agree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhere in there a core of wanting government to stay out of individuals lives, and promoting fiscal responsibility, and promoting business lives.  Somewhere, deep deep down in the belly of the beast.  I would love it if some of them could find that core.  Especially the part about people being allowed to live their own lives the way they want without others telling them it&#8217;s wrong.  I&#8217;m all about that part, but I forget that the only people who are privy to that particular &#8220;right&#8221; are the people they agree with.</p>
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		<title>By: drewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GOP is in a strange place where it defends its old positions no matter the cost.  This is a party which has built its strength on hostility to non-heterosexuals, non-Christians, non-Americans, non-rich people, and any other group deemed unsuitable by a small fanatical core.  It&#039;s destroying the party, but that core is so ideologically fixated that they don&#039;t care.  Compared to this, yes, Barack Obama is a relatively comforting choice.  

I&#039;ve noticed the GOPers in my workplace--there are a few of them, and they all operate in that strange whites-only hysteria.  They go on (and on and on) about Obama submitting the US to the One World Government and the One World Currency, Obama taking away our guns, Obama destroying the economy--the more they rant, the more it becomes clear that they just can&#039;t handle the idea of a nonwhite President.  Some of these people are edging up a clinical definition of paranoia and persecution.  Rarely do they say anything overtly antigay, but I know it&#039;s there behind my back.  The full scale of their wackiness comes out when they start the speech about Obama and socialism and &quot;hard-working middle-class people&quot; being robbed and how the economy&#039;s going to collapse and they&#039;re won&#039;t be any government anymore--and understand this conversation is taking place in a government facility which serves the indigent.  They&#039;re all but salivating for an economic collapse which would cost them their jobs.  Then they&#039;re on to guns and stocking up for the impending civil war.  I mention that no matter how many guns one man has, one man with an arsenal still can&#039;t outfire ten men with one gun each, so it&#039;s still down to might making right (with the tattered ideology left as the unspoken obvious).  They don&#039;t like that.  This is what the GOP base has morphed into in some cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP is in a strange place where it defends its old positions no matter the cost.  This is a party which has built its strength on hostility to non-heterosexuals, non-Christians, non-Americans, non-rich people, and any other group deemed unsuitable by a small fanatical core.  It&#8217;s destroying the party, but that core is so ideologically fixated that they don&#8217;t care.  Compared to this, yes, Barack Obama is a relatively comforting choice.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed the GOPers in my workplace&#8211;there are a few of them, and they all operate in that strange whites-only hysteria.  They go on (and on and on) about Obama submitting the US to the One World Government and the One World Currency, Obama taking away our guns, Obama destroying the economy&#8211;the more they rant, the more it becomes clear that they just can&#8217;t handle the idea of a nonwhite President.  Some of these people are edging up a clinical definition of paranoia and persecution.  Rarely do they say anything overtly antigay, but I know it&#8217;s there behind my back.  The full scale of their wackiness comes out when they start the speech about Obama and socialism and &#8220;hard-working middle-class people&#8221; being robbed and how the economy&#8217;s going to collapse and they&#8217;re won&#8217;t be any government anymore&#8211;and understand this conversation is taking place in a government facility which serves the indigent.  They&#8217;re all but salivating for an economic collapse which would cost them their jobs.  Then they&#8217;re on to guns and stocking up for the impending civil war.  I mention that no matter how many guns one man has, one man with an arsenal still can&#8217;t outfire ten men with one gun each, so it&#8217;s still down to might making right (with the tattered ideology left as the unspoken obvious).  They don&#8217;t like that.  This is what the GOP base has morphed into in some cases.</p>
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		<title>By: LOrion</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOrion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good blog...goes right onto facebook! As for Palin, she said that when she is in the Whithouse the Department of Law will take care of all of that mean stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good blog&#8230;goes right onto facebook! As for Palin, she said that when she is in the Whithouse the Department of Law will take care of all of that mean stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everytime I hear those comments from the Palin camp about how the media is being mean to her (or joking about her family), I can&#039;t help comparing it to all the ugly racial (/ethnic) stuff about the Obamas that has reached the national public. I find the differences in reactions very interesting. Grace under fire is certainly an admirable trait isn&#039;t it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everytime I hear those comments from the Palin camp about how the media is being mean to her (or joking about her family), I can&#8217;t help comparing it to all the ugly racial (/ethnic) stuff about the Obamas that has reached the national public. I find the differences in reactions very interesting. Grace under fire is certainly an admirable trait isn&#8217;t it.</p>
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