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		<title>By: Really</title>
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		<dc:creator>Really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CA and NY,are those places in the United States? It´s ok if you are in &quot;big&quot; city, otherwis, unless we hit the smaller town in these &quot;states&quot; there will never be equality.  I hate to feel this way, but I think that NY will be anoter CA, esecially ifthe LGBT keep &quot;preaching to the choir&quot; 

I agree wih many others, let the chips fall where they may, but once we know exactly where and WHO all the bigots are, we need to back the campaigns of those that will be EQUALITY fighters and send the ohers home...

Momma used to say &quot;the squeaky wheel gets the oil&quot;  so NY, get to sqeaking in EVERY lil town, community, etc. that you can find.

Furtermore,please look and lear from CA and other states mistakes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CA and NY,are those places in the United States? It´s ok if you are in &#8220;big&#8221; city, otherwis, unless we hit the smaller town in these &#8220;states&#8221; there will never be equality.  I hate to feel this way, but I think that NY will be anoter CA, esecially ifthe LGBT keep &#8220;preaching to the choir&#8221; </p>
<p>I agree wih many others, let the chips fall where they may, but once we know exactly where and WHO all the bigots are, we need to back the campaigns of those that will be EQUALITY fighters and send the ohers home&#8230;</p>
<p>Momma used to say &#8220;the squeaky wheel gets the oil&#8221;  so NY, get to sqeaking in EVERY lil town, community, etc. that you can find.</p>
<p>Furtermore,please look and lear from CA and other states mistakes!</p>
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		<title>By: elaygee</title>
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		<dc:creator>elaygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will remind you that black mau maus successfully got rid of their persecutors and took over Kenya onto freedom. Emulating htem is not a negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will remind you that black mau maus successfully got rid of their persecutors and took over Kenya onto freedom. Emulating htem is not a negative.</p>
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		<title>By: krysti</title>
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		<dc:creator>krysti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im from new hampshire and i say  yay its about time  we have gay marriage  there roll out the rainboe carpet  first stop gay marriage next stop gay pride new hampshire!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im from new hampshire and i say  yay its about time  we have gay marriage  there roll out the rainboe carpet  first stop gay marriage next stop gay pride new hampshire!!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that if this does not pass, we need to focus on getting just one seat replaced and it can be a weak republican or preferably a weak democrat, because it sends a message to the party and focus on getting that person ousted from their seat.  Pick them off one by one.  But if we do it once, I bet several other senators will suddenly have an epiphany for equality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that if this does not pass, we need to focus on getting just one seat replaced and it can be a weak republican or preferably a weak democrat, because it sends a message to the party and focus on getting that person ousted from their seat.  Pick them off one by one.  But if we do it once, I bet several other senators will suddenly have an epiphany for equality.</p>
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		<title>By: warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe marriage equality in NY has never been more possible. However I do agree with many of the comments about hard work, leveraging your vote and certainly your money. I am cautiously optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe marriage equality in NY has never been more possible. However I do agree with many of the comments about hard work, leveraging your vote and certainly your money. I am cautiously optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: tjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a NY&#039;er I&#039;m quite pessimistic about the chances of same-sex marriage passing in the senate. However it goes the vote will certainly be close. New York is not as progressive as many seem to think. Within New York City their are the various ethnic communities in Brooklyn, Queens, and Bronx that have huge church going populations. Not to mention republican leaning Staten Island. Then there are the more conservative districts upstate.
It will take strong, active lobbying to get this passed. I believe there is no doubt marriage equality will come to NY. I&#039;m just not certain it will happen this year. Until then, Connecticut is only a few miles away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a NY&#8217;er I&#8217;m quite pessimistic about the chances of same-sex marriage passing in the senate. However it goes the vote will certainly be close. New York is not as progressive as many seem to think. Within New York City their are the various ethnic communities in Brooklyn, Queens, and Bronx that have huge church going populations. Not to mention republican leaning Staten Island. Then there are the more conservative districts upstate.<br />
It will take strong, active lobbying to get this passed. I believe there is no doubt marriage equality will come to NY. I&#8217;m just not certain it will happen this year. Until then, Connecticut is only a few miles away.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Withers Said: &quot;Heck we even had some keyboard revolutionaries leaving messages here about how it’s time to either shoot straight people or burn a few churches&quot;

I believe I am one of those that Withers referred to as Mr. Revolutionary after he indicted anyone suggesting direct action as being &quot;punks or plants from the other side.&quot;

The blog, or rather vapid troll-fare was titled &quot;What do with anger over Prop 8?&quot;, which as one commenter noted, the article contained no such answers.

Withers began by referring vaguely to &quot;those who left notes here and  at other places, talking [about] let’s go burn down a few churches,  etc., etc...&quot;

While making no particular citations himself that could be offered as background, I believe my only reference to war was in defense of &quot;those who’d feel no remorse dropping napalm on treacherous politicians.&quot;

I believe Wither&#039;s malaise to follow stemmed from the fact that after lecturing pacifism from an online pulpit and essentially daring others to take direct action regardless of civil consequences, I listed  the slew of riots from Watts to Los Angeles where blacks with legitimate frustration enacted civil insurgence that left scores of dead and millions in city damages. That this same class of people voted over 60% to uphold Prop 8 in a rush to elect a biracial president regardless of his politics is a matter for another discussion.

I then went on to contrast it to what &quot;gays&quot; consider a protest by pointing out that many had bands, music, laughing and dancing while wearing festive colors, invariably led by some orthodox member of our tribe prattling away on a microphone while a bucket is being passed to collect more money for lawyers to lose as long as it takes, measured in billable hours.

This, I suggested, is not a way to be taken seriously. Especially in contrast to any other protest.

I then concluded this admonishment by juxtaposing the divergent paths to civil rights and their differing efficacies, pointed out the blatant hypocrisy, and the MySpace-esque blog that passes for editorial opinion was so perfuse with cowardice and diffident mewling, that I believe I finally closed by voicing my perspective that the blogger was not unique but rather a &quot;f***ing pacifist piece of s**t.&quot;

Unable to address any of the glaring comparisons and their obvious corollaries, Withers regressed to callow pot-shots, which indicated an actual counter-position was not forthcoming.

Withers hath protested too much about people moving beyond the current failed formula of street parties mis-named &quot;protests&quot;. Somewhat comically, he seems to expect to be updated on any action to that effect, as though anyone wishing to further action beyond the limits of momentarily blocking traffic, ligation and kow-towing to politicians would feel some compulsion to keep James Withers abreast the very spirit he himself vociferously if somewhat spontaneously disdains.

Ultimately I have maintained since the early nineties, not last week, that direct action would move things faster with more dignity than the current formula of hiding behind lawyers and protesting with such gleeful exuberance that demonstrations are indistinguishable from street parties.


While this mentality is growing and causing the long awaited schism from the queer orthodoxy that has sold us such gems as Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, it remains a minority voice, and it is indeed people like Withers and his fifth column ilk that wish to keep it stifled, as he explicitly notes, &quot;shut up&quot;.

As with the MLK riots, Watts &amp; LA riots, he would be glad to reap the benefits of a minority taken seriously, just not enough to get his own hands dirty. To be sure, one could argue that the most powerful contribution to awakening black America that ever came out of Martin Luther King Jr.&#039;s head was his cerebellum at about 3,000 feet per second.

The notion of direct action in our tribe is not new, however the orthodox-ran media has been quick to muzzle any such voice from emerging. To that end, those of us with a desire to win with dignity have found our worst enemies within, people like the blogger above.

As such; while distasteful and somewhat inelegant in its articulation, another review of the rationale posed concludes that there is an absence of any change in the wholly dispassionate estimation that James Withers still indeed remains a &quot;f***ing pacifist piece of s**t.&quot;

Thank you for your patient regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Withers Said: &#8220;Heck we even had some keyboard revolutionaries leaving messages here about how it’s time to either shoot straight people or burn a few churches&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe I am one of those that Withers referred to as Mr. Revolutionary after he indicted anyone suggesting direct action as being &#8220;punks or plants from the other side.&#8221;</p>
<p>The blog, or rather vapid troll-fare was titled &#8220;What do with anger over Prop 8?&#8221;, which as one commenter noted, the article contained no such answers.</p>
<p>Withers began by referring vaguely to &#8220;those who left notes here and  at other places, talking [about] let’s go burn down a few churches,  etc., etc&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>While making no particular citations himself that could be offered as background, I believe my only reference to war was in defense of &#8220;those who’d feel no remorse dropping napalm on treacherous politicians.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe Wither&#8217;s malaise to follow stemmed from the fact that after lecturing pacifism from an online pulpit and essentially daring others to take direct action regardless of civil consequences, I listed  the slew of riots from Watts to Los Angeles where blacks with legitimate frustration enacted civil insurgence that left scores of dead and millions in city damages. That this same class of people voted over 60% to uphold Prop 8 in a rush to elect a biracial president regardless of his politics is a matter for another discussion.</p>
<p>I then went on to contrast it to what &#8220;gays&#8221; consider a protest by pointing out that many had bands, music, laughing and dancing while wearing festive colors, invariably led by some orthodox member of our tribe prattling away on a microphone while a bucket is being passed to collect more money for lawyers to lose as long as it takes, measured in billable hours.</p>
<p>This, I suggested, is not a way to be taken seriously. Especially in contrast to any other protest.</p>
<p>I then concluded this admonishment by juxtaposing the divergent paths to civil rights and their differing efficacies, pointed out the blatant hypocrisy, and the MySpace-esque blog that passes for editorial opinion was so perfuse with cowardice and diffident mewling, that I believe I finally closed by voicing my perspective that the blogger was not unique but rather a &#8220;f***ing pacifist piece of s**t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unable to address any of the glaring comparisons and their obvious corollaries, Withers regressed to callow pot-shots, which indicated an actual counter-position was not forthcoming.</p>
<p>Withers hath protested too much about people moving beyond the current failed formula of street parties mis-named &#8220;protests&#8221;. Somewhat comically, he seems to expect to be updated on any action to that effect, as though anyone wishing to further action beyond the limits of momentarily blocking traffic, ligation and kow-towing to politicians would feel some compulsion to keep James Withers abreast the very spirit he himself vociferously if somewhat spontaneously disdains.</p>
<p>Ultimately I have maintained since the early nineties, not last week, that direct action would move things faster with more dignity than the current formula of hiding behind lawyers and protesting with such gleeful exuberance that demonstrations are indistinguishable from street parties.</p>
<p>While this mentality is growing and causing the long awaited schism from the queer orthodoxy that has sold us such gems as Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, it remains a minority voice, and it is indeed people like Withers and his fifth column ilk that wish to keep it stifled, as he explicitly notes, &#8220;shut up&#8221;.</p>
<p>As with the MLK riots, Watts &amp; LA riots, he would be glad to reap the benefits of a minority taken seriously, just not enough to get his own hands dirty. To be sure, one could argue that the most powerful contribution to awakening black America that ever came out of Martin Luther King Jr.&#8217;s head was his cerebellum at about 3,000 feet per second.</p>
<p>The notion of direct action in our tribe is not new, however the orthodox-ran media has been quick to muzzle any such voice from emerging. To that end, those of us with a desire to win with dignity have found our worst enemies within, people like the blogger above.</p>
<p>As such; while distasteful and somewhat inelegant in its articulation, another review of the rationale posed concludes that there is an absence of any change in the wholly dispassionate estimation that James Withers still indeed remains a &#8220;f***ing pacifist piece of s**t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for your patient regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still heading for Canada the land of the truely free...</description>
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		<title>By: R &#38; R</title>
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		<dc:creator>R &#38; R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dinah Washington!  How many people today remember this beautiful lady with a voice from heaven!  No one today to compare with that golden voice.</description>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can do this in NY if it&#039;s not for people like that bigot Reuben Diaz</description>
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