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	<title>Comments on: Withers: Do some gays keep us from progress?</title>
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		<title>By: Mr. Coffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 03:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beating that Boy (thanks CNX Guy), is in Shadow and Act, and I agree that&#039;s probably the essay you are thinking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beating that Boy (thanks CNX Guy), is in Shadow and Act, and I agree that&#8217;s probably the essay you are thinking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 06:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think personalities like Chris Crocker and Perez Hilton are an embarrassment to the LGBT movement but they sure are an embarrassment, period.

The reason why certain people might consider such personalities to be socially damaging towards how homosexuality is perceived in our society is because they *are* what the majority sees. Not every person is learned enough to know there are sane gays and lesbians in this world because it&#039;s downplayed by the ones who are in fact sane. All the crazies get the airplay and because of it most people consider gay to be effeminate.

So I don&#039;t consider your friend to be ignorant; even though I do consider the whole ordeal to be slightly funny; because there is *no* movement, or rather shouldn&#039;t be. Every man for himself; gay or straight. But then, we are not in a stage to be considered majority since we are in fact a minority, and until it becomes a lot more common, we have nothing else but to be shamefully tagged in the groups Perez and Chris fall in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think personalities like Chris Crocker and Perez Hilton are an embarrassment to the LGBT movement but they sure are an embarrassment, period.</p>
<p>The reason why certain people might consider such personalities to be socially damaging towards how homosexuality is perceived in our society is because they *are* what the majority sees. Not every person is learned enough to know there are sane gays and lesbians in this world because it&#8217;s downplayed by the ones who are in fact sane. All the crazies get the airplay and because of it most people consider gay to be effeminate.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t consider your friend to be ignorant; even though I do consider the whole ordeal to be slightly funny; because there is *no* movement, or rather shouldn&#8217;t be. Every man for himself; gay or straight. But then, we are not in a stage to be considered majority since we are in fact a minority, and until it becomes a lot more common, we have nothing else but to be shamefully tagged in the groups Perez and Chris fall in.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Siluwé</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor Siluwé</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 04:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perez wasn&#039;t my favorite person before all this.  But I&#039;ve gained a respect for him nonetheless.  

The Gay Movement could use a lot more Perez Hiltons willing to call a spade and spade, and a lot less of these simpering, thumb up their hoo-hoo types who&#039;d rather die than speak up for gay equality.

Go Perez!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perez wasn&#8217;t my favorite person before all this.  But I&#8217;ve gained a respect for him nonetheless.  </p>
<p>The Gay Movement could use a lot more Perez Hiltons willing to call a spade and spade, and a lot less of these simpering, thumb up their hoo-hoo types who&#8217;d rather die than speak up for gay equality.</p>
<p>Go Perez!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kayla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 04:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perez is the anti-gay marriage movement&#039;s dream. He made a complete fool of himself and in no way whatsoever advanced the interest of gay people anywhere. The video of this buffoon ranting was like watching the embodiment of almost every gay stereotype come alive.  As for Ms. Prejean...can anyone say Anita Bryant parte deux??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perez is the anti-gay marriage movement&#8217;s dream. He made a complete fool of himself and in no way whatsoever advanced the interest of gay people anywhere. The video of this buffoon ranting was like watching the embodiment of almost every gay stereotype come alive.  As for Ms. Prejean&#8230;can anyone say Anita Bryant parte deux??</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish they would send Carrie Prejean and Perez Hilton to a deserted island together.  They deserve each other and both sides of the Proposition 8 issue supporters would be better off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish they would send Carrie Prejean and Perez Hilton to a deserted island together.  They deserve each other and both sides of the Proposition 8 issue supporters would be better off.</p>
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		<title>By: GrrrlRomeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrrrlRomeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t let them homogenize us.

We should not all have to act the same in order to be treated equally. In the bargaining for equal rights, our diversity is not on the table. The gay population without diversity is hardly gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t let them homogenize us.</p>
<p>We should not all have to act the same in order to be treated equally. In the bargaining for equal rights, our diversity is not on the table. The gay population without diversity is hardly gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Elder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Elder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to completely agree. I had been watching Chris Crocker&#039;s videos before his &#039;Britney&#039; fiasco and have, from the start, been disgusted and offended by his popularity online. I fully believe he is a disgrace to the Gay Community in all aspects because, living in a small Kentucky town, I&#039;ve met many people who believe HE is what most gay males are like.

As for Perez Hilton, I have also never been a fan of his and agree that this entire Miss USA thing went over the edge and into hurting our cause when he began spewing ignorance and swearing in his videos.

I am, quite frankly, embarrassed to be lumped into ANY category in which both Perez and Chris are members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to completely agree. I had been watching Chris Crocker&#8217;s videos before his &#8216;Britney&#8217; fiasco and have, from the start, been disgusted and offended by his popularity online. I fully believe he is a disgrace to the Gay Community in all aspects because, living in a small Kentucky town, I&#8217;ve met many people who believe HE is what most gay males are like.</p>
<p>As for Perez Hilton, I have also never been a fan of his and agree that this entire Miss USA thing went over the edge and into hurting our cause when he began spewing ignorance and swearing in his videos.</p>
<p>I am, quite frankly, embarrassed to be lumped into ANY category in which both Perez and Chris are members.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Yhitzak 

Quite frankly, heterosexuals are just as likely to have a high libido, walk around half-naked, flaunt their sexuality, walk half-naked at Mardi Gras, and they have their very own P Hilton too.

Why do you expect the gay population to conform to your stereotype of what a gay should be?

I think a much better approach is live and let live. The human race is a very diverse group of individuals. I think all men are created equal should actually mean that all men are created equal. 

&quot;It takes no compromising to give people their rights. It takes no money to respect the individual. It takes no survey to remove repressions.&quot; Harvey Milk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Yhitzak </p>
<p>Quite frankly, heterosexuals are just as likely to have a high libido, walk around half-naked, flaunt their sexuality, walk half-naked at Mardi Gras, and they have their very own P Hilton too.</p>
<p>Why do you expect the gay population to conform to your stereotype of what a gay should be?</p>
<p>I think a much better approach is live and let live. The human race is a very diverse group of individuals. I think all men are created equal should actually mean that all men are created equal. </p>
<p>&#8220;It takes no compromising to give people their rights. It takes no money to respect the individual. It takes no survey to remove repressions.&#8221; Harvey Milk</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay rights!  Let&#039;s get some perspective.  Prejean provided the federal government legal definition of marriage.  The gay rights strategy is . . . never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame her/him for everything that goes wrong...

Before the rant begins, think about the origins of the strategy and consider what you have become...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay rights!  Let&#8217;s get some perspective.  Prejean provided the federal government legal definition of marriage.  The gay rights strategy is . . . never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame her/him for everything that goes wrong&#8230;</p>
<p>Before the rant begins, think about the origins of the strategy and consider what you have become&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Yhitzak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yhitzak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice the type of gays you, Mr. Withers, single out as being antithetical toward group progress: those who stereotype themselves. It may be true that silence = death, but it is also true that negative stereotypes do a great deal of damage to any given group (men, women, political parties, etc.). I, for one, do not wish to be associated with the likes of Chris Crocker, Perez Hilton, or the Queer as Folk cast. I would rather be ranked among those such as Harvey Milk, the PM of Iceland Johanna Sigurdardottir, or even the nice young man who wrote a My Turn column in Newsweek magazine a few weeks ago who came out of the closet in I believe it was Syria under a great deal of duress. It takes a certain measure of courage to be a flaming queen, but it takes even more courage than that to simply be yourself. Additionally, negative stereotypical personalities such as C. Crocker and P. Hilton are not a majority of the gay community, but as long as we allow such people to be our spokesmen, our entire group will find itself in the position of having to justify not only its image but its substance.

The only thing all gay people have in common is being gay. There is no right or preferred way to talk, act, dress, or interact with our fellow human beings, regardless of sexual orientation. But I can&#039;t help but feel as though a certain portion of the gay community would prefer to portray themselves as the negative stereotype instead of an average citizen. This doesn&#039;t mean acting &quot;heterosexual.&quot; (What does that even mean, by the way?) It means not acting like a libido-driven clown. It means not parading your half-naked person down the parade route at PrideFest. It means not going out of your way to throw your orientation in other people&#039;s faces at every given opportunity. It means not allowing yourself to be victimized for having any given orientation. It means being a person and not just being one of &quot;the gay.&quot;

There is, I suppose, some down-side to relinquishing the stereotype. I imagine not being identified as gay at a first glance really is detrimental to some peoples&#039; well-being. Or at least perception of themselves. Perhaps if the gay community were less inclined to segregate itself from the body of mainstream society, we wouldn&#039;t be facing these image issues all the time. And yes, as much as heterosexuals do to demonize the &quot;gay lifestyle,&quot; gay people don&#039;t help themselves all that much by choosing to marginalize themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice the type of gays you, Mr. Withers, single out as being antithetical toward group progress: those who stereotype themselves. It may be true that silence = death, but it is also true that negative stereotypes do a great deal of damage to any given group (men, women, political parties, etc.). I, for one, do not wish to be associated with the likes of Chris Crocker, Perez Hilton, or the Queer as Folk cast. I would rather be ranked among those such as Harvey Milk, the PM of Iceland Johanna Sigurdardottir, or even the nice young man who wrote a My Turn column in Newsweek magazine a few weeks ago who came out of the closet in I believe it was Syria under a great deal of duress. It takes a certain measure of courage to be a flaming queen, but it takes even more courage than that to simply be yourself. Additionally, negative stereotypical personalities such as C. Crocker and P. Hilton are not a majority of the gay community, but as long as we allow such people to be our spokesmen, our entire group will find itself in the position of having to justify not only its image but its substance.</p>
<p>The only thing all gay people have in common is being gay. There is no right or preferred way to talk, act, dress, or interact with our fellow human beings, regardless of sexual orientation. But I can&#8217;t help but feel as though a certain portion of the gay community would prefer to portray themselves as the negative stereotype instead of an average citizen. This doesn&#8217;t mean acting &#8220;heterosexual.&#8221; (What does that even mean, by the way?) It means not acting like a libido-driven clown. It means not parading your half-naked person down the parade route at PrideFest. It means not going out of your way to throw your orientation in other people&#8217;s faces at every given opportunity. It means not allowing yourself to be victimized for having any given orientation. It means being a person and not just being one of &#8220;the gay.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is, I suppose, some down-side to relinquishing the stereotype. I imagine not being identified as gay at a first glance really is detrimental to some peoples&#8217; well-being. Or at least perception of themselves. Perhaps if the gay community were less inclined to segregate itself from the body of mainstream society, we wouldn&#8217;t be facing these image issues all the time. And yes, as much as heterosexuals do to demonize the &#8220;gay lifestyle,&#8221; gay people don&#8217;t help themselves all that much by choosing to marginalize themselves.</p>
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