On that you are absolutely, undeniably, categorically WRONG, Trace. You may wish that were the case, but when the White HOuse invites him and his ilk to sit at the table and theirs are the only voices heard on social issues touching ALL gay lives, then his “church” most assuredly DOES have an influence on you, and your life. And trust me, it won’t be for the better when their mantra is that your relationships are the equivalent of incest, pedophilia and polygamy.

John Boswell: Writings on History of Sexuality

* Boswell, John, The Church and the Homosexual: An Historical Perspective, (Keynote address at Dignity’s 4th Biennial Convention, Sept. 1979), repr. in Kathleen Leopold and Thomas Orians, eds., Theological Pastoral Resources: A Collection of Articles on Homosexuality from a Pastoral Perspective, 6th ed., (Washington DC : Dignity. 1981, repr. 1985), 16-20
* Boswell, John, Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality, (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1980)
* Boswell, John (interviewed by Richard Hall), “Historian John Boswell on Gay Tolerance and the Christian Tradition”, The Advocate (28 May 1981), 20-23, 26-27
* Boswell, John, Rediscovering Gay History : Archetypes of Gay Love in Christian History, (London : Gay Christian Movement, 1982)
Early presentation of the themes later developed in Same Sex Unions.
* Boswell, John, “Revolutions, Universals, Categories”, Salmagundi 58-59 (Fall 1982-Winter 1983), 89-113
reprinted, and more easily accessible in, Martin Bauml Duberman, Martha Vincus and Ceorge Chauncey, eds., Hidden From History, New York: NAL, 1989, 17-36)
Boswell’s extended discussion of the method and theory behind his researches and interpretations.
* Boswell, John, in The Journal of Religion 67:3 (July 1987), 365, review of Robin Scroggs, The New Testament and Homosexuality: Contextual Background for Contemporary Debate, (Philadelphia: Fortress Press: 1983)
* Boswell, John, “Old Habits, New Habits”, The New Republic Jan 6, 1986; 194:1 p. 36-39, review of Judith C. Brown, Immodest Acts – The Life of a Lesbian Nun in Renaissance Italy, (New York: Oxford UP, 1986)
* Boswell, John, “The Origins of Christian Intolerance of Homosexuality”, (in Spanish), Cuadernos del Norte 8:44 (1987), pp. 18-23
* Boswell, John, “Books: Gay History”, The Atlantic Feb 1989; 263:2 p. 74-78
review of David F. Greenberg, The Construction of Homosexuality, (Chicago: Chicago UP, 1988)
* Boswell, John, “Concepts, Experience, and Sexuality”, Differences 2.1 (1990) 67-87
* Boswell, John, interview by Lawrence Mass, “Sexual Categories, Sexual Universals: An Interview with John Boswell”, Christopher Street 151 (1990), 23-40
Boswell discusses with Mass the implications and controversies over his work.
* Boswell, John., “Battle-worn.”, The New Republic v. 208 (May 10 ‘93) p. 15+
ABSTRACT: In ancient times, homosexuality had a hallowed relationship to democracy and military valor, even though modern military officials tend to find this improbable or even unbelievable. Many persons who might now be considered “gay” played prominent roles in the military, and some observers of the times argued that gay men would make ideal soldiers because they would wish to behave admirably while those they loved were present. In 378 B. C., the Theban leader Gorgidas created a company of 300 men, known as the “sacred band” of Thebes, composed of pairs of lovers; according to Plutarch. The troop played a crucial role in many military engagements and was never beaten until the battle of Chaeronea in 338
* Boswell, John, “Dante and the Sodomites.” Dante Studies 112 (1994?), 33-51
* Boswell, John, Same-Sex Unions in Pre-Modern Europe, (New York: Villard, 1994)

As I see it, he’s about on the same level of support as our President is. The difference is that Obama (and other politicians) have more of a direct effect on each of our lives. Yes, Warren has a congregation of thousands of people. But his congregation can come to their own decision.

And yes, I actually took a vacation day on Monday. Ahhhh! We had some fierce storms down here yesterday. The cave seems to be ok though.

I have read(dont necessarily believe everything I read, ie. the bible) that there was a time in history where the catholic church gave “blessings” to monks that were “pairing off”. I have to find that book.

We also KNOW FOR FACT in history the Greeks and Romans (mostly soldiers) were encouraged to take on “partners” of the same sex…

So what the frickadee frack the F*ckers think? Gay people have been around just as long as straight people…. and since we are ALL female at a point in gestation cycle, before the “Y” chrome is introduced, we were all probably female cells that EVOLVED into “men” as well as primary females. (if that doesn’t make sense, try a biology lesson.)

Anyhow, stupid tard like Warren and many others think they can find that in the bible… I can find a snowball in “hell” before they ever get it. sad.

Trace “he compared gay marriage to incest and pedophilia.” It’s right in the post. His quote is right in the post and he’s saying he doesn’t believe what he said.

“Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do. “