Subscribe to Breaking NewsWithers: Warren says he never said what he said
Huddle up people. Listen, if you want to be against marriage for gay folk, I can live with that. Free country and all. You want to say some crazy stuff about marriage for same sex couples, go at it. However, you cannot say something nutty and when the kitchen gets warm go on the denial kick.Rick Warren, the pastor of Saddleback Church and last heard invocating at Obama’s inauguration, has decided that we all misheard when he compared gay marriage to incest and pedophilia.
“And I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe. And I actually announced that,” the good reverend said in an interview with CNN’s Larry King.
Warren also noted that he went on an apology tour to all of his gay friends but that was never reported. I’m wondering if these were the same pals who apparently told Warren it was okay to have multiple partners (Rev. Warren: I’m still waiting for the names of the “people” who told you this).
All of this is sort of nice for Easter week (redemptive and all), but it’s also a lie. An odious, “I can’t believe you are really saying this,” tall tale. I’m biased. So let’s look to Steve Waldman, the man who interviewed Warren when the reverend didn’t say what he said about gay marriage.
“The issue to me, I’m not opposed to that [some partnership rights] as much as I’m opposed to redefinition of a 5,000 year definition of marriage,” Warren originally said to Waldman. “I’m opposed to having a brother and sister being together and calling that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.”
Waldman points out Warren wanted to clarify a few points after the interview came out. Wait for it. Wait for it. Wait for it. Warren didn’t have anything to add, or take away, with the above nugget.
Mmmmmm. Maybe Melissa Etheridge can explain all of this.
george, you are wrong. I really don’t think that most politicians (and specifically our President)could be any more ambivalent towards the gay community. The fact that Warren comes to the White House is simply proof that Obama really does not believe in equality. (But then we already knew that.)
lets kill him
There’s an old saying, “The Lord works in mysterious ways”. Besides do these people that follow Warren and his merry band, ever think that they can’t trick or fool God. Since we are all part of Creation, don’t you think we don’t all deserve the same opportunities? If marriage is such a Christian institution why do we allow athiests to marry? Why to we allow murderers to marry?Why do we allow bisexuals to marry?
“his church has no influence on me”
On that you are absolutely, undeniably, categorically WRONG, Trace. You may wish that were the case, but when the White HOuse invites him and his ilk to sit at the table and theirs are the only voices heard on social issues touching ALL gay lives, then his “church” most assuredly DOES have an influence on you, and your life. And trust me, it won’t be for the better when their mantra is that your relationships are the equivalent of incest, pedophilia and polygamy.
The scholar is the late Dr. John Boswell (d. 1994):
John Boswell: Writings on History of Sexuality
* Boswell, John, The Church and the Homosexual: An Historical Perspective, (Keynote address at Dignity’s 4th Biennial Convention, Sept. 1979), repr. in Kathleen Leopold and Thomas Orians, eds., Theological Pastoral Resources: A Collection of Articles on Homosexuality from a Pastoral Perspective, 6th ed., (Washington DC : Dignity. 1981, repr. 1985), 16-20
* Boswell, John, Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality, (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1980)
* Boswell, John (interviewed by Richard Hall), “Historian John Boswell on Gay Tolerance and the Christian Tradition”, The Advocate (28 May 1981), 20-23, 26-27
* Boswell, John, Rediscovering Gay History : Archetypes of Gay Love in Christian History, (London : Gay Christian Movement, 1982)
Early presentation of the themes later developed in Same Sex Unions.
* Boswell, John, “Revolutions, Universals, Categories”, Salmagundi 58-59 (Fall 1982-Winter 1983), 89-113
reprinted, and more easily accessible in, Martin Bauml Duberman, Martha Vincus and Ceorge Chauncey, eds., Hidden From History, New York: NAL, 1989, 17-36)
Boswell’s extended discussion of the method and theory behind his researches and interpretations.
* Boswell, John, in The Journal of Religion 67:3 (July 1987), 365, review of Robin Scroggs, The New Testament and Homosexuality: Contextual Background for Contemporary Debate, (Philadelphia: Fortress Press: 1983)
* Boswell, John, “Old Habits, New Habits”, The New Republic Jan 6, 1986; 194:1 p. 36-39, review of Judith C. Brown, Immodest Acts – The Life of a Lesbian Nun in Renaissance Italy, (New York: Oxford UP, 1986)
* Boswell, John, “The Origins of Christian Intolerance of Homosexuality”, (in Spanish), Cuadernos del Norte 8:44 (1987), pp. 18-23
* Boswell, John, “Books: Gay History”, The Atlantic Feb 1989; 263:2 p. 74-78
review of David F. Greenberg, The Construction of Homosexuality, (Chicago: Chicago UP, 1988)
* Boswell, John, “Concepts, Experience, and Sexuality”, Differences 2.1 (1990) 67-87
* Boswell, John, interview by Lawrence Mass, “Sexual Categories, Sexual Universals: An Interview with John Boswell”, Christopher Street 151 (1990), 23-40
Boswell discusses with Mass the implications and controversies over his work.
* Boswell, John., “Battle-worn.”, The New Republic v. 208 (May 10 ‘93) p. 15+
ABSTRACT: In ancient times, homosexuality had a hallowed relationship to democracy and military valor, even though modern military officials tend to find this improbable or even unbelievable. Many persons who might now be considered “gay” played prominent roles in the military, and some observers of the times argued that gay men would make ideal soldiers because they would wish to behave admirably while those they loved were present. In 378 B. C., the Theban leader Gorgidas created a company of 300 men, known as the “sacred band” of Thebes, composed of pairs of lovers; according to Plutarch. The troop played a crucial role in many military engagements and was never beaten until the battle of Chaeronea in 338
* Boswell, John, “Dante and the Sodomites.” Dante Studies 112 (1994?), 33-51
* Boswell, John, Same-Sex Unions in Pre-Modern Europe, (New York: Villard, 1994)
drewski, all I’m saying is that I’m not really concerned about what Rick Warren has to say. He’s not my pastor and his church has no influence on me.
As I see it, he’s about on the same level of support as our President is. The difference is that Obama (and other politicians) have more of a direct effect on each of our lives. Yes, Warren has a congregation of thousands of people. But his congregation can come to their own decision.
And yes, I actually took a vacation day on Monday. Ahhhh! We had some fierce storms down here yesterday. The cave seems to be ok though.
@Trace–C’mon now. There’s no on-point denial. Warren said what he said. There’s no reading into it–aside from what can be read in re: references to incest, pedophilia and polygamy. You can’t see that? Don’t you have a three-day weekend coming up?
I want that [jerk] to show me a marriage license from 5,000 years ago!
I have read(dont necessarily believe everything I read, ie. the bible) that there was a time in history where the catholic church gave “blessings” to monks that were “pairing off”. I have to find that book.
We also KNOW FOR FACT in history the Greeks and Romans (mostly soldiers) were encouraged to take on “partners” of the same sex…
So what the frickadee frack the F*ckers think? Gay people have been around just as long as straight people…. and since we are ALL female at a point in gestation cycle, before the “Y” chrome is introduced, we were all probably female cells that EVOLVED into “men” as well as primary females. (if that doesn’t make sense, try a biology lesson.)
Anyhow, stupid tard like Warren and many others think they can find that in the bible… I can find a snowball in “hell” before they ever get it. sad.
5,000 year definition? Why do they keep saying these crazy numbers…that keep getting bigger. 5,000 years ago the definition was one man and many women and the women were property. Yeah…I bet he’d like that definition.
Trace “he compared gay marriage to incest and pedophilia.” It’s right in the post. His quote is right in the post and he’s saying he doesn’t believe what he said.
“Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.
Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?
Rick Warren: Oh I do. “
Ever notice how much he resembles Jerry Falwell? Hmmmmmm…… perhaps the @sshole has been re-incarnated?
Right after he said it I went to youtube and found the quote.
God don’t like liars.
The man said that he does not believe what has been reported and attributed to him.
Sounds good to me. Not certain what the issue is.
Would it be so hard to admit that he said what he said, and then say he was wrong, and he wishes he hadn’t?
Another LYING preacher? Hmmmmmm…… imagine THAT…..!