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01.20.2009 11:54am EST
I’m not a person of faith but I’ll give the man credit for this: he said God’s love was for everyone God made. That’s a line you rarely hear from the Christian right. He gets credit for that. But that’s it.
Hello,
News! God loves everyone on this planet, as Rick Warren said, that is a non-issue. Does God agree with “all of our interpretations” regarding His original design and purpose is where the arguments begin……His love for all on this earth is
non-negotiable – He sent His son to die, as proof….again only human interpretation can
can get His love “lost in translation”.
Karma doesn’t exist and I wish people would stop using it as a means of coping with injustices they feel in life, it stifles action and motivation for making things right or correcting such injustices.
It’s just like religious people feeling better thinking dead loved ones are in a better place like heaven or that people who deserve to suffer for doing horrible or wrong things will get what they deserve in hell or some afterlife.
“he said God’s love was for everyone God made. That’s a line you rarely hear from the Christian right. He gets credit for that. But that’s it.”
Credit for what? Even the Phelp’s clan believes that, it’s just that if you continue to live your gay life and be gay you are going to hell for it. It’s the same for all sinners.
“I give Warren credit for that line. Nothing else.”
That’s because you don’t understand the ‘Christian right’ and are being fooled by nice sounding words..
Warren does not allow practicing Gays to be members of his church. This was his policy in place when he gave that line you credit him for giving. I think you are reaching a bit too far by saying “acts” on inclusion. Maybe “talks” but not “acts.”
At any rate, he appeared unhealthy both physically and spiritually as he gave the invocation. I believe Karma is claiming him.
Chris Sullivan may have been addressing Obama instead of Warren, but he is right. Talk is cheap. A one-line, somewhat ambiguous inclusion into the collective “everyone God made” does not erase his actions over his lifetime. Maybe Warren is beginning to see the light and the foolishness of his prejudice against the SCC community, but until he acts to demonstrate his new conviction, its just all hot air.
So we have an Anonymous contributor who’s teaching us a bit of scripture and asking for tolerance. Well, if some (not all, just some) Christian sects weren’t so hell-bent on embedding their quaint superstitions in our legal codes, thereby forcing the rest of us to abide by their dogma, I WOULD be more tolerant. Christian zealots are denying the rest of us the right to celebrate our loving relationships legally, in accordance with our personal spiritual values, which are just as sacred as theirs. Then they play the victim, when we criticize them and fight their tyranny. How ludicrous!
What a verbose load of crap it was. Warren has that same smug smile Jerry Falwell did. I’d love to find out he has an immense kiddie-porn collection.
Rick Warren’s speech was way too long for such a cold day and very inconsiderate to those waiting for the swearing in of Obama and Biden. And we don’t need to know how many names Jesus can be called in all the languages of the world.
Warren’s appearance was a blight on what should a joyous occasion.
It takes only 30 seconds or less to say God (this name alone is multi-denominational and covers many of the world’s major faiths) bless President Obama and VP Biden and the USA and then sit down and make way for the next entry on Sen. Feinstein’s program book for tnis event. Those many thousands of people standing out there did not come to hear this fellow Warren.
And really only one speaker is needed for just one very short and very brief prayer if at all.
If the prayer can’t be kept to 30 seconds or less it should be done away with.
I don’t believe 10 or short words of God bless these leaders and our nation is either illegal or a necessity for that matter and many Americans are people of faith. I am one of those. Obama listed the major faiths and the non-believers in the US, so its seems most of the bases were covered in that regard.
As long as non-believers are mentioned and prayer is kept extremely short and to one prayer only, no harm done. if more than that, can the prayers.
Now the inauguration is over and on to the nation’s business.
On the whole, the prayer wasn’t horrible for me. I did notice he said there had been a transfer of power for the “44th time” (should 43rd time, right?). And I did think it was out-of-place to have a specifically Christian prayer, on a day when Obama specifically intended to reach out to all faiths, and (in his own words) “non-believers”. But it seemed kind of par for the course as these things go. It in no way makes up for his past statements. But I can see why a person with such great speaking talent is able to attract a following. Too bad.
You know anonymous, sometimes people just get what they give. I think that’s called karma in some circles, but I just see it as a principle of the workings of the universe; like attracts like. What you give out, comes back to you. Didn’t Jesus say something about, What you do to others, you do to me, or something to that effect? And seems like he said, those who slayeth with the sword, with the sword also shall they be slain. Maybe Warren gets so much ire because he give so much out. Another truism, is that we become like those we oppose. That is a danger that we have to gaurd against. We shouldn’t stoop to their level, but verbal violence has a way of breeding violence in others, so I don’t see how anyone could be surprised, let a lone righteously indignant, that people get angry at Warren and say hurtful things back. It is the most human thing on earth.
To: anonymous
I’ve spent the past week reading AFA website on a daily basis.
In that period I read the following comments from Christian readers: “gas them” (gays”
“hang them” (gays).
So much for the “love” from the Christian community!
Political “labels” aside, if you’ve read the Bible, you’d KNOW that God knows each one of us, and has loved us even before the world began. He sees us as his children, and wants to know us. Rick Warren is speaking the truth. Stop labelling him just because he’s a Christian! That’s intolerant!!Unfortunatly, too many people choose hatred, or their own agenda, and don’t have time for God. However, the God of the Bible is also a righteous God, one who is just and made the world to run according to natural laws. Christians believe that homosexuality is like alcoholism – perhaps partly genetic, but not desirable for society. The God of the Bible seems to agree. So the gay community has to weigh that, and either come to terms with it, or start embracing athiesm. It’s not democratic to require someone to change their religion, or force them to violate their own values. The gay community cannot say their values need to be respected, and then mess with other people’s. The christian community as a whole follows the teachings of the Bible, and while they do not agree with homosexuality, they do not deserve to be treated with disrespect.
Rick wrote:
“Warren has stated before that he loves gay people. What disgusts him is when gay people *behave* as gay people.”
Exactly. Love the sinner, hate the sin. He’s no more a man of God than Fred Phelps, and I STILL believe Gene Robinson or Desmond Tutu should have been there today to speak in his place.
You mean they actually broadcast Warren’s prayer? You mean there was not a scheduling mistake? You mean that the speakers were turned on?
By Gosh! By Golly! It’s amazing how things work in Washington!
I wasn’t listening. I was watching the inauguration naked in bed with my man. As soon as Warren came up to the podium, we started making out.